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Topic: What kind of overalls are these?
Posted: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:26:02 AM
I'm reading a book called "Wool Omnibus" (the Silo series) by Hugh Howey. This is a science fiction novel, set in the far future. Some kind of apocalyptic disaster happened, and mankind (or what's left of it) now live in a gigantic underground silo. Everyone wear a type of "overalls", color-coded base on their profession.

What troubles me is the "overalls" uniform. As far as I know, there're 2 kind of clothing that can be called overalls: The "farmer" type (pictured on the left) and the "industrial" jumpsuit (pictured on the right)

I can't figure out which one is the one used in the book. Based off of general impression, as well as the prequel novel "Shift" (where the US government greenlit the construction of this silo, with all construction workers wearing "overalls" too), I feel like it's the "industrial" kind of overalls (aka "jumpsuit"). Hell, even the graphic novel version of the book depicted the uniform as the industrial jumpsuit:

But there there are just so many confusing evidence that point the other way (or vice versa) in the book. Here are some:

She wore no undershirt, just blue overalls cut high up over her chest, exposing a bit of olive skin that gleamed with sweat. She had the same dark complexion as the farmers who worked under grow lights, but it could have been as much from the grease and grime if her denims were any indication.

"Cut high up over her chest" make it sounds like the entire front of the suit, all the way up to near the collar bone, is 1 single piece of fabric, with no zipper of button of any kind. I'm not very familiar with jumpsuit, but I don't think the front of it would be designed like that. The fact that it's made from "denim" also point to it being a farmer overalls.

But then again, if someone wear just a farmer overalls and no undershirt, there's no way the amount of skin exposed would be just "a bit". Only a jumpsuit, with its sleeves and all, could cover enough skin for that description to be accurate.

But then come the next passage.

Juliette put her ID away and reached over the gate to grab the straps of his overalls with both hands. She pulled him almost clear over the gates, her arms bulging with the sinewy muscles that had freed countless bolts.

I don't think the jumpsuit would have any kind of strap. And considering Juliette is dragging this man closer to talk to him, it seems the straps should be on the chest or somewhere close to this man's face. This point to it being a farmer overalls.


She stood up and turned around, facing this small man with a protruding gut, glasses perched at the end of his nose, his silver IT overalls snugly tailored and freshly pressed.

I don't think a farmer overalls would need any pressing (ironing?), only a jumpsuit would need it.

Bernard removed his glasses and began wiping them on the sleeve of his undershirt, his gaze falling to his feet.


Shirly touched her lip, her sore chin. Her fingers came away wet with blood. She used the sleeve of her undershirt to dab at her mouth.

These people didn't undress or do anything worth noting with their garment (though admittedly, they are in combat, so their clothes might be a bit disordered). If these were jumpsuit, there's no way they could wipe anything on the undershirt sleeves.

Also, there're a lot of description of people putting their hands inside the belly of their overalls. Again, I'm no expert on industrial jumpsuit, but I got the feeling it would be pretty awkward putting both hand in the same front of the belly (assuming the zipper got pull down enough).

So could anyone clear up this one for me? What type of overalls is this?
Topic: God is in the details, yes, but in ALL the details big and small
Posted: Saturday, June 16, 2018 5:50:22 AM
I waffle back and forth between thinking my life would be safer and easier if I had another job and feeling like things like that don’t matter. God is in the details, yes, but in ALL the details big and small. And He knows the course He has set for me.

Context: a cop is contemplating quitting the force.

Generally, I can tell this man is on the fence about changing job, and ultimately decided that it doesn't matter since if fate wants him to die, he will die regardless. What I don't get is the specifics of the sentence in bold. The one that follow suggests it should be taken literally. But how could something like God resides in all things, big and small, fit with the preceding sentence?
Topic: beating lavender blooms
Posted: Saturday, June 16, 2018 2:49:33 AM
My interpretation, bet others have different interpretations, which is kind of what this kind of writing is meant to cause.

It's a pain for translators like me though. Can't see how I could get this one across without adding a quarter page of footnote.
Topic: beating lavender blooms
Posted: Friday, June 15, 2018 10:45:08 PM
Dalton, flirting with me. Something I have to get used to—my heart, beating lavender blooms, spilling out into my bloodstream. His flirting calms me, makes me feel safe.

Lavender can't grow in my country so I'm having trouble getting this metaphor. If the lady's heart is "beating lavender blooms," how exactly is it beating? And what spills out into her bloodstream, the smell or the lavender itself?
Topic: hospitality ministry
Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2018 5:06:35 AM
That's interesting. So basically it would be a charity department of some kind within the church, right?

And since the novel take place in Louisville, Kentucky, this term is probably more commonly used on the Western part of the US.
Topic: hospitality ministry
Posted: Sunday, June 10, 2018 4:32:03 AM
He asked me if it was okay for him to ask someone at our church about the hospitality ministry and Eamon’s mom about the one at her church too because new moms needed meals delivered.

This is an excerpt from a novel called Whiskey & Ribbons by Leesa Cross-Smith. Basically the lady made too much food, and her not-boyfriend is asking if it's ok to contact the church they works at about something called "hospitality ministry" to deal with them all.

What is this "hospitality ministry" thing? When I look it up on Google, it seems this refer to showing newcomers the love of God or something like that. But how does that fit in with this context?
Topic: put up the paper
Posted: Saturday, June 2, 2018 2:43:04 PM
Later after we’d finished the cake, Evi focused her attention on me. I looked at the starry diamond on her left finger. Eamon put up the paper all right. It was huge. I could almost smell how expensive it was from across the table—a whiff of something clean and clear-blue.

Context: Eamon just proposed to Evi, and she said yes.

I can't find anything for "put up the paper." The closest definition I can find is for "put down the paper," which means "to resign." Since earlier, there was reference to Eamon taking himself "off the market" (getting married), could "put up the paper" be interpreted as "put down the paper"? As in, Eamon had truly "resigned from his bachelor life"?
Topic: leaning cop
Posted: Saturday, June 2, 2018 12:10:03 PM
I'm still a bit on the fence about this. From the excerpt, Eamon seemes to do the "leaning cop" routine a lot. Then does that mean he always leans against something every time he visits the shop?
Topic: D-Money
Posted: Saturday, June 2, 2018 11:29:04 AM
Eamon stopped by. He stopped by a lot, happily played the role of leaning cop, drinking coffee.

“You’re such a cliché,” I said to him.

“Body of a god and a ten-inch cock or cop drinking coffee? Both? Let’s go with both,” he said.

“If you’ve got ten inches I’ve got fourteen,” I said, closing the register. We were only talking like this because the shop was empty. A customer had just picked up his bike and left. My only other employee, my buddy, Detroit had the day off.

D! D-Money. Come on, bruh. Come on.” Eamon laughed at me, shook his head.

Context: 2 brothers enjoying some friendly banter. This is an excerpt from the novel Whiskey & Ribbons by Leesa Cross-Smith.

What's D-Money? I don't see any definition on Urban Dictionary that would fit, and the majority of the search results are about a type of British money (this book's set in Kentucky, which is about as anti-British as it gets).
Topic: leaning cop
Posted: Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:54:08 AM
Eamon stopped by. He stopped by a lot, happily played the role of leaning cop, drinking coffee.

Context: Eamon is a police officer, stopping by his adopted brother's bike shop. These two are very close. This is just a social call, and Eamon isn't investigating a case or anything like that.

I don't get what a "leaning cop" is. It doesn't sound like Eamon is physically leaning against something, and Google, as reliable as ever in such matters, could find nothing on it. Is this a police slang of some kind?