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"More than one student" vs. " More students than one"
Friday, June 21, 2019 12:13:00 PM
(1) More than one student is punished.
(2) More students than one are punished.
Please help me to understand why the be verb is "is" not "are" in the sentence (1).
(Because I think the "More than one student" is a plural subject. )
Thank you for your time and consideration.
You are correct, and what grammar mavens will tell you is the first sentence is incorrect and should not be used. This is a good example of language as a living form, and grammar rules occasionally being behind the times related to usage.
In formal writing, the second sentence would (well, should) be used. In formal writing, (1) is not acceptable, and either the writer or an editor should change the sentence.
In daily conversation, you would more likely hear "A few/several/many students were punished" rather than either (1) or (2). If, however one of your sentences were to be used in casual speech, it would most likely be (1).
The reason the singular verb form is used
in (1) is that the verb immediately follows a singular noun. While you are correct that you have a plural
in "More than one student," the fact that the
"student" is singular vastly outweighs the (relatively) complex subject. The ear will not allow a plural verb. It sounds absolutely wrong. Grammar rules will not win this fight. Eventually, there will be a new grammar rule, explaining why one should use a singular verb in this sentnce.
This is also a good example of why one should stay in active voice
whenever possible. Had the speaker/writer used active voice, this particular problem would not have arisen.
We/They punish more than one student (for smoking in the parking lot).
Tiananmen Square Anniversary
Tuesday, June 4, 2019 3:28:04 PM
China avoided the fate of a country in civil war. This means, countless lives spared, no forced migration, no local warlords like in Libya, for example.
Not moving has not saved essentially the entire Uighur from being placed in concentration camps in situ. The Chinese government has never been a bastion of freedom and safety, but in the past couple of decades, it has become extremely controlling. Witness the Uighurs and other minority populations, and witness the treatment of Hong Kong.
I remember Tianaman. The government's response to peaceful protest had nothing to do with protection from civil war. It had everything to do with maintaining the power of the ruling clique.
implanting one murderous force into the everyday environment – the often highly corrupt police –
Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:02:19 PM
It is badly phrased. The identification of the force should come immediately after the noun it describes,like in Drago's brackets.
"... ‘pacification’ has merely implanted into the everyday environment one murderous force – the often highly corrupt police – in place of another."
'the everyday environment' doesn't add anything. And although there is some justification for 'implanted' - it has taken root, like a plant - it is all a bit clumsy, even without that misplaced noun phrase.
Although I forgive that if their first language is Portuguese, Turkish or anything but English.
This is a good analysis of the original quotation. I would add, the verb "planted", would have been a better choice than "implanted".
, even if you disagree with the conclusions of the original quotation (I do not), you cannot blam
for the thoughts. He was explaining the meaning of the original writing. One does not change the meaning of a quotation. One may state one's disagreement, but when explicating a quotation, one has a responsibility to do so correctly, in accordance with the original writer's meaning.
taking a shower v showering
Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:50:09 PM
Koh Elaine wrote:
taking a shower
, I realised that there was a bruise on my breast.
, I realised that there was a bruise on my breast.
Are both sentences correct with no difference in meaning?
In AE, no difference, and equally commonly used.
is correct, in that one
use "showering" to refer to the act of washing another in the shower. This is not a particularly common usage, at least not in AE. By the rest of
comment, this would be understood as a shower by oneself.
"Showering" as a transitive verb is actually more commonly used in a context other than the act of giving an actual shower-bath:
She showered the grandchildren with gifts every time she visited.
Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:03:09 AM
I've never heard it used in the U.S.
I wonder whether it might not be some obscure regionalism.
Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:43:02 AM
As opposed, of course, to a
Adapted from Japanese manga...
Tuesday, April 9, 2019 11:37:55 AM
Hi, is there anything wrong in these sentences?
Adapted from Japanese manga series "Itazura na Kiss", about a teen girl who
falls in love with
has been in love with
her fellow senior since their first day of high school.
in love with him on the first day of high school. That is a one-time event. She
in love with him ever since (then). The same issue arises in your long description.
Adapted from Japanese manga series "Itazura na Kiss", which tells of a teenage girl who falls in love with her fellow senior since their first day of high school but does not tell him about it at first. When an earthquake destroys her house, she and her father move into the house of her father's college buddy, who happens to be the father of the boy she loves.
Details are based on online sources.
How many class in a week?
Tuesday, April 9, 2019 11:31:21 AM
For 5 years old kid, the class will provide two times a week.
How many class in a week?
"I asked the tutor.
Does the question correct if I wanted to get the answer just like the first sentence?
"How many classes will he (have)(take) (each)(in a) week?"
"For a five-year-old (child), (classes are provided two times a week)(there are two classes a week).
The word "kid" is unlikely to be used in a conversation between a parent and child, at least during an early conversation. "Kid" is a very casual term for a child. It is appropriate between friends or within a family. Parents and teachers may use it once they know each other well. In a school setting, when used, it is more apt to be used in plural form, to refer to a group of kids than used in reference to an individual child. This is in AE.
cast a sheep's eye
Tuesday, April 9, 2019 10:39:19 AM
As an AE speaker, this is
something I've used, or even heard before.
's usage is known to me, but not at all common anymore. In my parent's generation, yes, but not mine and certainly not the current one.
Who am I speaking with? Answer
Friday, April 5, 2019 12:38:35 PM
If I call someone, after introducing myself, the otherone does not do the same, I'd ask:"who am i speaking speaking with?
What is the right answer?
" This is" in any cases?
This is the pedant here, so I shall bring up the pedantry not yet covered.
In a formal situation, or to be grammatically correct at any time, the proper question is, "
am I speaking?
To be ultimately polite, in case one is concerned about offending, one asks, "
May I know with whom I am speaking?
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