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Topic: He loved his former wife.
Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2020 5:04:05 AM
So former would describe "non-existence".

Thank you! But is there any dictionary or book providing this meaning?
Topic: He loved his former wife.
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2020 1:57:17 AM
Drag0nspeaker wrote:
You are right that "previous" means "the one before something else" - so "my previous job" is the job before my current job.

The "original" SARS was a virus infection in 2002-2004.

It was a Coronavirus infection. If the 2020 CoVid-19 infection were called SARS, then the 2003 infection would be 'the previous SARS'.
However, if the new infection is not called SARS, then the 2003 one should not really be called "the previous SARS".

It is a hypothetical name.

Thank you!
But for example, a dinosaur does not exist.dinosaur
If I want to use a modifier to describe it non-existence, could I say a former dinosaur or a previous dinosaur?
If you have any suggestion, please give me.
Topic: He loved his former wife.
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:53:21 AM
Drag0nspeaker wrote:

I think that maybe there would be (with enough context) an implication in the word "former" but, as Romany says, as a single sentence, it doesn't really explain enough.

He was married from 1980 till the divorce in 2005. He loved his wife. He loved her while they were married and something happened (she didn't love him? maybe?) It doesn't say whether he loved her after the divorce.

He was married from 1980 till the divorce in 2005. He loved his former wife. To me it seems like he loved her while she was his "former wife" - he loved her after the divorce.


Excuse me!
"previous" means happening or existing before something or someone else.
That is, my previous wife is a woman having marriage relation before I have marriage relation with my current wife.
But I have read "I remember the spokesperson for WHO answered by saying that China didn’t want it to be called SARS because of how bad the previous SARS was over there, in 2003, and this would cause people to become very fearful."
I don't know what is after SARS in time or in order?
Topic: He loved his former wife.
Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:21:00 AM
He loved his former wife.
Without any contexts, could I interpret that the woman was his wife and he loved her before divorced.
or the woman was his wife and he loved her after divorced and before now.

I am confused whether the relation was over before or after he loved her?
Topic: former Berlin Wall
Posted: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:25:57 AM
FounDit wrote:
levylee wrote:
The Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area.

If I want to use an adjective to modify "Soviet Union" to describe it is disorganized,
could I say the disorganized Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area, or
the previously-existing Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area, or
the former Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area, or
the previous Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area.

Thank you!


The best is "the former Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area." This word, "former", says it existed, but does not now exist.

You wouldn't use "disorganized" because it was organized. It was organized into a Union.

You wouldn't use "previously-existing" because that implies there was more than one Soviet Union, as does "the previous Soviet Union".

This word, "former", says it existed, but does not now exist.
Former can provide two meanings for the modified noun, one is it was so past, but now still exist and isn't so (former president);
the other is it existed past, but now does not (former suggestion).
I don't know how to distinguish the use for the two meanings.
Topic: former Berlin Wall
Posted: Friday, September 18, 2020 12:45:40 AM
FounDit wrote:
levylee wrote:
The Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area.

If I want to use an adjective to modify "Soviet Union" to describe it is disorganized,
could I say the disorganized Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area, or
the previously-existing Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area, or
the former Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area, or
the previous Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area.

Thank you!


The best is "the former Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area." This word, "former", says it existed, but does not now exist.

You wouldn't use "disorganized" because it was organized. It was organized into a Union.

You wouldn't use "previously-existing" because that implies there was more than one Soviet Union, as does "the previous Soviet Union".

The dinosaur was the largest animal.
Could I say
The former dinosaur was the largest animal?
The past dinosaur was the largest animal?
Topic: former Berlin Wall
Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:42:55 PM
The Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area.

If I want to use an adjective to modify "Soviet Union" to describe it is disorganized,
could I say the disorganized Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area, or
the previously-existing Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area, or
the former Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area, or
the previous Soviet Union was the largest country in the world by surface area.

Thank you!
Topic: former Berlin Wall
Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:05:54 AM
thar wrote:
It is not necessary for that because you can talk about the entity called Yugoslavia. But is fits the pattern.
The lands of former Yugoslavia are now Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, etc.

The name of those places changed. They are the former Yogoslavia..

But it is unnecessary (and I would say wrong) to use that in the past tense.

The Roman Empire was ...
Yugoslavia was ...

The former Yugoslavia was not a state. Yugoslavia was a state. Bosnia is state which is part of former Yugoslavia.


Before North Macedonia finally got its name agreed on, for years it was FYR Macedonia.
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. I think that influenced the reporter too much!


Thank you!
The former Yugoslavia is not a country, and is a region/territory which Yugoslavia established before.
The Yugoslavia was a country.

So the former Yugoslavia is not equal to the Yugoslavia.

Topic: former Berlin Wall
Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:59:51 PM
thar wrote:
When one person stopped being president, someone else took over. That is why you distinguish between the president and any former presidents.

But there was only one Berlin Wall, like there is one KL Tower. It is the name of a specific object.
It 'fell' (in the meaning of being conquered, destroyed), so it is no longer there, but the name still refers to that one thing. It will always be called the Berlin Wall, even when it is history in hundreds of years' time.

When something or someone is replaced, or leaves a role, you use former to show they are not the current one.
Obama is a former US President, because he is not in that post now.

Lagos is the former capital of Nigeria, because now the capital is Abuja. The role was transferred to another city.
If you are into football - Ronaldo plays for Juventus (I think?). He is a former Real Madrid player, but he stopped playing for them and moved to another team. His relationship with that position changed. The names stay the same.


But the wall did not leave its position of being a wall. That is the name of the object, whether it still exists or not.
You can say it is the 'now-fallen' Berlin Wall, although that is a bit clumsy. But it is not natural to call it the former Berlin Wall.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-17632399

The former Yugoslavia was a Socialist state created after German occupation in World War II and a bitter civil war. A federation of six republics, it brought together Serbs, Croats, Bosnian Muslims, Albanians, Slovenes and others under a comparatively relaxed communist regime. Tensions between these groups were successfully suppressed under the leadership of President Tito.

Excuse me!
The former Yugoslavia was a Socialist state created after German occupation in World War II and a bitter civil war.
The Yugoslavia was a Socialist state created after German occupation in World War II and a bitter civil war.

I don't know what is the difference of the two sentences?
Topic: former Berlin Wall
Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:19:54 PM
(1) The former Berlin Wall was fell in November, 1991.
(2) The Berlin Wall was fell in November, 1991.

I don't know which is correct?

I have this confusion because
(1) The former president received 2009 Nobel Peace Prize (when he was the president).
(2) The president received 2009 Nobel Peace Prize.
According to these, we know the man who I indicated is Obama.

So the first (1), could I say "The former Berlin Wall was fell in November, 1991, when it was the Berlin Wall."