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BobShilling wrote:Hope123 wrote:The Left should be careful not to use this public empathy and goodwill for election purposes or to try to get real immigration reform done now.
Don't forget that a number of Republicans have expressed concern over the separation of children from their families.
Hi Bob. I didn't forget. But the Republicans would not be using it against their own party for an election, unless of course they are splitting from the party of Trump as Proggy says might happen. He gives me hope for America.
They are already no longer Republicans. The non extremists are quitting or not running and those replacing them are extremists, some with questionable character.
The right wing is disingenuous and sets up a smokescreen because they don't want ANY immigration, much less reform. Bush and Obama both tried to get immigration reform but the right wing Republicans in the House killed it. 85% of House Republicans now hold districts with fewer immigrants than the national average.
Each time the bill passed the Senate with a bipartisan 60 plus majority and each time the House Republican majority refused to vote on it even though it likely had more than 218 votes.
For 20 years now, the hard right, evangelicals, NRA, Fox News Republicans have stood in the way of any progress. They did and are still doing the same with healthcare. It's an apolitical issue that they're actively sabotaging because they NEVER had a better plan, except to make it worse.
These are views of my American friends who are Republicans.
The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Anon
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Proggy,
Unfortunately the facts don't matter to hardliners. See other thread - no means no and if you come bad things happen. And btw the punishment will not fit the misdemeanour.
The Left should be careful not to use this public empathy and goodwill for election purposes or to try to get real immigration reform done now. It could backfire. The main thing is to get the kids back and ignore all the mean rhetoric from Fox, Trump, and others. Trump tweeted "phony stories of sadness and grief". Some are even saying they should shoot them at the border and save taxpayer money.
I hope the Left doesn't listen to polls or get complacent by underestimating Trump. It's still a winning issue for him. Many are afraid of him and money in the right places does wonders in US politics. Right now apparently Sinclair has ordered networks to downplay the impact of the separation of families. (see note below)
Hope the rest of the public has good memories in November.
The right always talks about how the media is biased towards the left. Sinclair is conservative and controls many stations and what they can say. Freedom of the press, you say?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/style/wp/2018/04/02/get-to-know-sinclair-broadcast-group-the-conservative-local-news-giant-with-a-growing-reach/?utm_term=.06382f5bfab8
The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Anon
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No still means no. But the punishment should fit the crime. In this case a misdemeanour.
The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Anon
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Trtqorld media sources where this link is from are rated as "moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes".
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/honduras-a-political-crisis-rooted-in-us-meddling-14265
I did a bit of research on why these migrants from Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador are seeking asylum in the US and Canada. This piece by a reporter in Honduras has no byline because his safety would be in danger - and it is very eye opening if one has not been following events there. It was written in January 2018 before this surge problem at the border.
“Because all this really couldn’t be happening without the help of the United States.”
This refers to the violent conditions, human rights violations, and corruption in their own country that Hondurans are fleeing from. But they are fleeing from the results of US policies as well.
The US has been meddling in Honduras forever, protecting their banana plants at first and then other interests. Obama at first declared the 2009 overthrow of a democratic leaning leader as a coup but "slick lobbying and PR campaign by the Republican Party and the Honduran oligarchy gathered steam". And so the US ended up supporting that coup and that has led to the conditions today as there was evidence of foul play in the 2017 election by the right wing National Party that claimed victory.
The number of firearms exported to Honduras from the US has grown in recent years. Trump supports the Honduran Government as an ally and indeed it was one of only seven countries to support him on the embassy move to Israel. (Except now with the Immigration problem he wants to cut their aid.)
"And at a time of when the Trump administration finds itself isolated, Hernandez provides much-needed diplomatic support...President Trump, usually so raucous, has made no public comment about the Honduran political crisis."
Yet Trump calls these people animals and takes their children, while supporting the causes of why they come. Aid cuts would make conditions worse. At the same time they blame Latino immigrants for the lives and jobs they've lost. Create the refugees, then promise to keep them out of your country. Two steps to election success.
Length does not permit me to go into detail about Guatemala where the US meddling goes back as far as 1954 and how it was behind a gory civil war in the eighties in El Salvador. Anyone interested can verify the history.
Note that in 2014 when Obama had to deal with 10,000 unaccompanied minors seeking asylum, he upped the aid to Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala if they made improvements in human rights, law enforcement, and justice.
Trump changed his mind about Honduras being a "friend" and says he would like to cut aid to Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador and it looks as if Congress is going to at least cut it in half. I can't find accurate info about the status of the aid.
Related Digression - As Venezuelans went to the polls in 2018 the U.S. was working to disrupt the re-election of Nicolas Maduro and rollback left-wing governments in the region... Yet it gets upset when Russia interferes in theirs.
When the socialist government still won in Venezuela, U.S. President Donald Trump's administration is threatening moves against Venezuela's already reeling oil sector.
Trump ran on a policy of non interference internationally.
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Was your sunset tonight as beautiful as ours, with shades of royalty, Drago?
Today was the longest day of the year.
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