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peterhewett
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:58:38 AM
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I seriously considered leaving the forum, tired of abuse and the rantings of some apposed to religion or the Bible, and in preparation deleted all my posts. There is a delete button for such a purpose so one assumes it is a legitimate action. Yet I noticed I was 'punished' for doing what I was invited to do... delete posts.

My points nosedived. Now seriously I do not mind that, but find it hard to understand where the logic is behind such a move.

For me the whole idea of a points system is unseemly, and serves no useful purpose at all. We are not at school.

It is all done by computer and not on any valued judgment at all, and so is meaningless. Even if every post were visited and marked it still would be meaningless since it would be subjective to one or two minds with preconceived ideas as to worth or value.

I find it hard to believe that any intelligent person would put high stakes on their points.

My reason for posting this is not because I am heading for negative points... it has been that way all along for me, but because I feel it is childish in the extreme.
nooblet
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:04:51 PM
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Yes, deleting posts should only remove as many points as you gain from posting, which is 3 points, so that you can't use it to build up points for whatever reason. Instead, deleting a post subtracts around 10 points, which is pretty harsh, and I'm not really sure why it is that way.

As an aside, I believe this should probably be in the Site Features forum (though I doubt you can move it, it will be up to the admins).
peterhewett
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:09:24 PM
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How do I move it Nooblet... I think you are right... my mistake.
oxymoron
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:14:52 PM
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Well Pete, we'll have to agree on this one, THUD! pick him up someone, tis absurdity to be sure. Accept this by way of recognition for services rendered you miserable ol bugger.

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nooblet
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:17:37 PM
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For moving the thread, I don't know if there is a way to do that for a normal user. I think an admin needs to move it.

As for the points system, I'm not really sure what it is about. I guess if you have positive points, chances are you contribute something positive to the forum, and negative points means the poster is a spammer/troll. But honestly, we are all able to think for ourselves and evaluate which posts we would like to read and which we would like to skip on an individual basis. I rarely ever look at the points of a poster, besides my own. In that sense, I guess it could be useful as a tool to see when we have posted something inappropriate or unacceptable. An example of this is when I was responding to LilyLily, I noticed I lost around 100 points, meaning the admins had probably manually subtracted points from my total. I understood that to mean that what I was doing was not looked upon well (as was also clear by what others had posted) and so I stopped.
peterhewett
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:22:17 PM
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Ok Oxy let's be at peace. I'll try again if you will.
Luftmarque
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:22:30 PM

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My impression is that the points have no value to anyone other than the admins, who use them for their own inscrutable purposes, and the toaster-seekers. They might as well not be shown as far as I'm concerned and they can certainly be safely ignored.
peterhewett
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:27:22 PM
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I am not sure that is true Nooblet. We once had a poster on here, he is gone now but no names no pack drill, and he posted very peculiar things which no one understood. Yes you guessed it, he had full points!

If I accepted your theory I would have to look upon my efforts in a negative way and take them as being of little value. I am not egotistical, but I am sure my posts are no worse than others.
nooblet
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:30:08 PM
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Well, you deleted a lot of your posts, which would naturally cause you to lose a lot of points. But yes, the workings of the point system are a mystery and I really have no idea how they actually work (besides +3 for making a post and -10 for deleting a post).
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:34:55 PM

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I think the point just happen to be in this Forum software, a part in the package, but with no use.
The admins have been asked many times but they haven't revealed the wisdom behind points.
The Saurus
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:49:14 PM
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peterhewett wrote:
I find it hard to believe that any intelligent person would put high stakes on thier points.


I'd guess this is about 100% correct.


I think the idea with point loss for deleting posts is to make it annoying to delete posts - the idea is that if you feel the need to delete it, you probably shouldn't have written it in the first place. This is why people will sometimes quote a post that they think is particularly bad, so it becomes hard to delete.

peterhewett
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:57:21 PM
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I often go back to a post if I have made a typo or if I think I should not have posted the post and will delete it... I think that is good. Sometimes feel I have oversaid something that is best left.

I never do this with a bad motive nor do I feel the need to say I have edited... it is my affair. I may add a sentence, delete one, change a word, correct a mistake or start over again. It is up to me.
Articulate Dreamer
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:19:30 PM

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And i seriously thought you were gone for good from here, Peter! Delighted to see you back, to be sure; welcome back.
And the poetry reading went swimmingly, thank you. Was going to mail you to tell you they loved your poem.
I agree the point system is assinine.
TL Hobs
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:27:22 PM
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You mean the points have no value? Darn! I was saving up mine for some new patio furniture. d'oh!

grammargeek
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:30:53 PM
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peterhewett wrote:
I often go back to a post if I have made a typo or if I think I should not have posted the post and will delete it... I think that is good. Sometimes feel I have oversaid something that is best left.

I never do this with a bad motive nor do I feel the need to say I have edited... it is my affair. I may add a sentence, delete one, change a word, correct a mistake or start over again. It is up to me.


There is no loss of points for editing.
AnthA1G
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:40:14 PM

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We need some kind of amendment in the forums.Think
Kat
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 3:06:24 PM
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I've never given a flying rat's behind about the points.
Hardly ever look at them. But if accumulating them does
mean a prize, I already have a toaster, I'd like a coffee
percolator. Thank you.
HWNN1961
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 3:16:57 PM
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Wait a minute!!! I thought those points were like frequent flier miles....I shall now have no choice but to delay my trip to Cancun. Rats.
Raparee
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 3:17:44 PM

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Kat wrote:


I've never given a flying rat's behind about the points.
Hardly ever look at them. But if accumulating them does
mean a prize, I already have a toaster, I'd like a coffee
percolator. Thank you.

Ooo, I want an espresso machine! Wonder how many points that'd take. Think
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:04:34 PM

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When you have LOTS of points:


QuzySue
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:28:03 PM
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Funny I didn't realize we got points. What do they do for you?
The Saurus
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:07:33 PM
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They go up and down. They're not redeemable for anything. Use 'em to keep score or something, if you want.
Articulate Dreamer
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:08:09 PM

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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
When you have LOTS of points:



Is it available in other colours, JJ? I detest that pink... maybe i'll give up collecting points if that's all they have :(
DarkMoon
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:28:22 PM

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QuzySue wrote:
Funny I didn't realize we got points. What do they do for you?


Welcome to the forum, QuzySue.

Actually, no one knows why we do collect those points. This is a mystery, still unsolved yet. Think There must be something hidden behind that riddle. I believe that when the time comes, we all will find out about the points' purpose. ;-)
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:01:47 PM

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Articulate Dreamer wrote:

Is it available in other colours, JJ? I detest that pink... maybe i'll give up collecting points if that's all they have :(


You probably need even more points for luxury black and silver Jubilee model.
Discombobulated
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:27:19 PM
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Peter, I had wondered whether you had left us. Glad to see you haven't. I agree, so many admirable men and women have departed from this forum and it has degenerated over time, but as tempted as I was to leave TFD there is still good mixed in with the bad. I admire your ability to defend what you believe, I find it better for my stress levels to just not get involved.

Anyway, the point system is an enigma. And I too would not be content with a pink kitty micro/coffee machine. Lord of the Rings themed coffee pot, now that would be awesome!
uuaschbaer
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:33:42 PM

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Perhaps the point system only serves as a way to impel slightly, say "uncynical", people to post more postings. To make the forum thrive.

Type monkey, type!
maximus
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:52:21 PM
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You get docked 10 points for deleting a post..Geez I did'nt know that..Thanks for the heads up.
Though peter why did you would delete your posts ?
Richard
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:39:27 PM
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The only thing that amuses me more than the existence or peculiar logic of an ostensibly pointless "points system" is that anyone cares enough to whine about something they claim not to care about.
kisholoy mukherjee
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:53:27 PM
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Richard wrote:
The only thing that amuses me more than the existence or peculiar logic of an ostensibly pointless "points system" is that anyone cares enough to whine about something they claim not to care about.


That is a good observation. I was thinking the same thing.
JayJay
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:27:12 PM
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What is even worse is your pointless observation.
TL Hobs
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:38:59 PM
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"A point in every direction is no point of all." -Oblio

JayJay
Posted: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:58:26 PM
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Good point TL.
Richard
Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2010 1:58:48 AM
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TL Hobs wrote:

"A point in every direction is no point of all." -Oblio




Correction: "A point in every direction is the same as no point at all." If you're going to quote someone because you don't have the imagination to produce an original response, you should at least quote accurately.
dingdong
Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2010 2:07:30 AM
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Richard wrote:
TL Hobs wrote:

"A point in every direction is no point of all." -Oblio




Correction: "A point in every direction is the same as no point at all." If you're going to quote someone because you don't have the imagination to produce an original response, you should at least quote accurately.


Richard, where did you get your degree in pedantry?
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