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La Linea
Posted: Saturday, June 6, 2015 1:47:30 PM

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As his two terms time in office is coming to an end, what would be his legacy?

Did he keep his promises to american people considering Gitmo, health care, jobs creation and all the rest (Iraq, Syria, Afganistan ....Middle East mess)?

If the law allowed, would you give him another term?

As a reminder he is a Nobel prize recipient.

Are americans better off today?

quixsilver
Posted: Saturday, June 6, 2015 3:15:13 PM
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You first.
Teluu
Posted: Saturday, June 6, 2015 3:40:23 PM

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La Linea wrote:
As his two terms time in office is coming to an end, what would be his legacy?

Did he keep his promises to american people considering Gitmo, health care, jobs creation and all the rest (Iraq, Syria, Afganistan ....Middle East mess)?

If the law allowed, would you give him another term?

As a reminder he is a Nobel prize recipient.

Are americans better off today?



YOU HAVE LIST PROBLEMS HE INHERIT! These all George Bush's ignorant mess!
La Linea
Posted: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:27:03 PM

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Teluu wrote:
La Linea wrote:
As his two terms time in office is coming to an end, what would be his legacy?

Did he keep his promises to american people considering Gitmo, health care, jobs creation and all the rest (Iraq, Syria, Afganistan ....Middle East mess)?

If the law allowed, would you give him another term?

As a reminder he is a Nobel prize recipient.

Are americans better off today?



YOU HAVE LIST PROBLEMS HE INHERIT! These all George Bush's ignorant mess!


What??????

Telu. With my due respect for you and democracy this is not the way system works. When you ask for my vote you asume to fix all your perdecessor's mistakes.
Daniel B.
Posted: Saturday, June 6, 2015 6:56:43 PM

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His presidential library might be hard to fill. Legacy.
This is the part of his presidency [afterwards] i was concerned about as he may turn disgruntled for whatever reason and we end up with a Al Sharpton on steroids with an unlimited media platform and this would be annoying to me. Unlike being sent money from home- Welcoming.
Gary Rhoades
Posted: Sunday, June 7, 2015 12:51:50 AM

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He will and should be considered one of our greatest presidents ever.

Obamacare alone is enough for him to deserve that.
Madam
Posted: Sunday, June 7, 2015 2:27:30 AM
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I think he's done way better than expected. I am proud of his legacy because he did make a change. I am speaking from my point of view --from my Social Status. He was the most disrespected president that's ever held office but he handled it with class. That's all I'll say because I feel that this thread will turn ugly. It is the way . . .

I'm Black and I'm proud of our President. I did not vote for him because he is Black like me but because he lives as I do. A smart and thoughtful American with many strikes already against him because of his heritage.

La Linea
Posted: Sunday, June 7, 2015 3:58:47 AM

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Gary Rhoades wrote:
He will and should be considered one of our greatest presidents ever.

Obamacare alone is enough for him to deserve that.


That is the least thing his administration should be proud of.Shame on you

I am very healthy and pay EVERY month $330 to support others who can not afford.

This ain't rightShame on you
8BooksOfSengathe
Posted: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:41:13 AM

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La Linea wrote:
As his two terms time in office is coming to an end, what would be his legacy?

Did he keep his promises to american people considering Gitmo, health care, jobs creation and all the rest (Iraq, Syria, Afganistan ....Middle East mess)?

If the law allowed, would you give him another term?

As a reminder he is a Nobel prize recipient.

Are americans better off today?



Obama's legacy ?
His anti-Christian and anti-Constitution actions
talk louder than his words.
His disrespect for others , including our allies
and their leaders , have garnered international
notice.
His usurping of laws to suit his goals ,
political party's interests, and friends.
Involving the morally corrupt as close advisors
has been , and is, a threat to our security .
Trying to make the UN a source of leverage
within the USA in order to promote one-world goals
and undermine our laws.
He puts the interests of foreigners way ahead of our
nation's interests and welfare.
Promoting a socialism style of governing is against
this nation's ways and laws.
Calling what is evil good , and good evil is his
constant work and agenda.
The Nobel Peace prize was tarnished again by giving it
to Obama for achieving absolutely nothing.
He claimed to be a transparent president . What a lie.
The list goes on & on.

Geeman
Posted: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:46:57 AM

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Well, first off, I have to echo the comments about Obama inheriting and awful big mess from the previous administration, and that kind of thing does get factored in. FDR gets points on the "greatness" scale because of Hoover, and though Lincoln had plenty of credits, one of them was Buchanan's failure of leadership.

Obama will most likely be remembered for making the first baby-steps into a healthcare system, for dealing with the banking crisis more or less evenly, and for killing UBL. His Nobel... well, maybe he'll "earn" it as an ex-President a la Jimmy Carter.

I'd not give him another term simply because 3+ terms is a bad idea even if it weren't in the Constitution. (I favor term limits for all elected positions, for that matter.)
La Linea
Posted: Sunday, June 7, 2015 8:50:07 AM

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Forget about problems inheritance from previous administrations.

Are we americans better off today as compared to seven years ago? Did we get our jobs back in these seven years or not?

To my opinion NO.
La Linea
Posted: Sunday, June 7, 2015 11:47:08 AM

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Geeman wrote:
Well, first off, I have to echo the comments about Obama inheriting and awful big mess from the previous administration, and that kind of thing does get factored in. FDR gets points on the "greatness" scale because of Hoover, and though Lincoln had plenty of credits, one of them was Buchanan's failure of leadership.

Obama will most likely be remembered for making the first baby-steps into a healthcare system, for dealing with the banking crisis more or less evenly, and for killing UBL. His Nobel... well, maybe he'll "earn" it as an ex-President a la Jimmy Carter.

I'd not give him another term simply because 3+ terms is a bad idea even if it weren't in the Constitution. (I favor term limits for all elected positions, for that matter.)


Really Gee????

UBL was dead long ago before Obama brought to our attention of his existence.

I don't know who was afraid of him in this world.

History tells us don't be a friend of US cause you will soon turn its foe.
Absurdicuss
Posted: Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:27:10 PM
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It is a sad state of affairs that Obama was foisted upon the nation when so many well qualified African Americans could have done a good job.

By foisted I mean that he was ushered into office through the vast network and resources of the global elite; Obama's overlords.

The sham of Obama is obvious. No credentials, and a vague history, unless one believes the official spew.


Obam is nothing more than the latest installment in the UN set up of global governance. Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 to Obama; they've all done their parts to strengthen the police state, restrict liberty and undermine our national sovereignty.

If you believe the US Federal Government are the good guys then you'd probably not agree with the premise of my statements.

And that's too bad because it means you're oblivious to what is going on around you.

Obama's legacy - puppet.


Epiphileon
Posted: Monday, June 8, 2015 9:16:39 AM

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Gary Rhoades wrote:
Obamacare alone is enough for him to deserve that.


That is the least thing his administration should be proud of.Shame on you

La Linea wrote:
I am very healthy and pay EVERY month $330 to support others who can not afford.

This ain't rightShame on you


So basically you object to the fact that humans are social creatures and by nature ought take care of each other.
Capitalism is not a bad idea, it in fact can work very well; however, when people sacrifice their humanity on the alter of capitalism and become capitalists, then we lose ground in the race for human.

I have been disappointed in the President's performance. Unfortunately Absurdicus' position may have more merit than any of us would like to admit.
TheParser
Posted: Monday, June 8, 2015 9:25:39 AM
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The media tell us that Americans, politically speaking, are about evenly split.

So it seems that 50% of Americans feel that Mr. Obama's legacy will be mostly negative.

No need to go into detail. Those who support Mr. Obama think that he's the greatest.

Those who do not support Mr. Obama think he's not the greatest.

Neither side can ever change the other side's opinion. It all depends on your personal experiences.

There is one thing, however, that most Democrats and some Republicans like: Mr. Obama has refused (so far) to send thousands of combat troops back to Iraq.

The political pundits tell us that Ms. Clinton will be elected next year.

The Republicans are hoping against hope that enough Americans are looking at what's happening in this country (no need to go into details) and decide to let a Republican move into the White House.

Some Republicans, it is said, are encouraged by the example set by British voters, who returned a Conservative government to power a few weeks ago.



tunaafi
Posted: Monday, June 8, 2015 10:19:11 AM

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TheParser wrote:
The Republicans are hoping against hope that enough Americans are looking at what's happening in this country (no need to go into details) and decide to let a Republican move into the White House.


Many members are not American. Perhaps you could tell us what you think is happening in the country.

Wanderer
Posted: Monday, June 8, 2015 11:06:00 AM

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I think the President's legacy will be better than the Republican Congress.
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Posted: Monday, June 8, 2015 11:16:03 AM
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To discuss a presidents legacy 2 years before he's out of office is very premature. No president can be judged until at least 10 years after his administration when we have seen the more long term results of their actions. Ask this question in 2026
Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 10:58:13 AM

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If a Republican president and Republican Congress were to get in at the same time, it would be interesting to see how much better they would do.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 11:52:08 AM

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Not being American and living 3000+ miles away, all I can give is an opinion which may or may not be 'an educated opinion'. Most likely it is not very accurate.

I quite like the guy:
- he seems to have done a fair bit towards civilising America (though the Health Care system is incomplete, it is not up to British standards, but it's better than the "pay up or we leave you to die" system I saw fifteen years ago).
- as The Parser says, he managed to keep the forces more or less intact, by keeping them out of war. "Weapons are the tools of fear - a decent man will avoid them except in the direst necessity and, if compelled, will use them only with the utmost restraint. Peace is his highest value." (Lao-Tzu The Art of War)

Sad to say, I feel Absurdicus is pretty much spot on.
It matters little who the President/First Minister/Prime Minister/'Most Renowned Leader' is, they will be a representative of the same clique, and not all that interested in helping 'the people' to become more free.

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Hope 123 wrote:
"If a Republican president and Republican Congress were to get in at the same time, it would be interesting to see how much better they would do."

From the 'hype' and 'stereotype' picture we get of the Republicans on this side of the Atlantic, the expected result would be:

"Yee-ha! Iraq? Send in the Marines! Putin? NUKE him!"

Perhaps that is exaggerated.

Absurdicuss
Posted: Saturday, June 13, 2015 11:02:57 PM
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Hope123 wrote:
If a Republican president and Republican Congress were to get in at the same time, it would be interesting to see how much better they would do.




It doesn't make a hill of beans difference who's in the majority Hope. The two party system is nothing more than a facade for the masses.

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Again like DragOn, an interested Outsider's take here:

The Parser says those who approve of Obama, think he's the greatest; i doubt that but most do believe he has dignified the office more than the Bushes.
He also states that he isn't the greatest to those who don't support him; from what one sees and hears, it appears to me than many of his adversaries think him to be (at least one of)the worst.
His Nobel was clearly a political than a meritorious Award. His idealism seems genuine and compared to most politicians of his times, he is far less hypocritical, though he is naive.
I tend to agree with Absurdicuss that he was foisted on your nation and there were/are more deserving African Americans for the job. From what i remember reading Oprah Winfrey had quite a role to play in his stupendous victory the first time around.
TheParser
Posted: Sunday, June 14, 2015 7:20:02 AM
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Articulate Dreamer wrote:

[1] His Nobel was clearly a political than a meritorious Award.
[2] I tend to agree with Absurdicuss that he was foisted on your nation.


Some people disagree with those Americans who claim that the United States, unlike Russia and China, is a land of free speech.

Many people would say that if you were to voice those two opinions, you would be socially ostracized in many circles and even forced to resign your job in certain occupations (such as teaching). And in some areas, even worse things might happen to you.
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TheParser wrote:
Many people would say that if you were to voice those two opinions, you would be socially ostracized in many circles and even forced to resign your job in certain occupations (such as teaching). And in some areas, even worse things might happen to you.


Who are these 'many people'?


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Silenced
Trivium_Discipulus
Posted: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:21:38 PM
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La Linea wrote:
As his two terms time in office is coming to an end, what would be his legacy?

Did he keep his promises to american people considering Gitmo, health care, jobs creation and all the rest (Iraq, Syria, Afganistan ....Middle East mess)?

If the law allowed, would you give him another term?

As a reminder he is a Nobel prize recipient.

Are americans better off today?



Debt-Money Monopolist Bankster Puppet - that was an easy one.

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.”
- Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

"The Money Power Seeks to Create a World System of Financial Control in Private Hands Able to Dominate Every Nation on Earth

In addition to these pragmatic goals, the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank, in the hands of men like Montagu Norman of the Bank of England, Benjamin Strong of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, Charles Rist of the Bank of France, and Hjalmar Schacht of the Reichsbank, sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
~Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, President Clinton mentor (handler?) and Council on Foreign Relations historian.

BTW, this isn't conspiracy theory. They are the declarations of the only historian allowed TO SEARCH THE DOCUMENTS AT THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS. This man was the oligarch's own historian! He was also noted as Bill Clinton's primary mentor.

Those quotes are insider admissions.
Khalid Sami
Posted: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 7:24:04 PM
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La Linea wrote:

Did he keep his promises to american people considering Gitmo, health care, jobs creation and all the rest (Iraq, Syria, Afganistan ....Middle East mess)?

Why Arab countries friends of the US regime are not a mess?
It seems the US regime has a hand in that mess, but the big hand.
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