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rohan chawla
Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:38:36 AM
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kauserali
Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:52:41 AM
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Read aloud and listen to audios in English.
Lady Penelope
Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:05:28 AM
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Watch English films.
A TV channel BBC.co.uk is full of information on all languages
LouLou
Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:17:18 AM
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definitely lots of books and movies, and practicing aloud.
kisholoy mukherjee
Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:02:38 PM
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Books, films and news (paper and tv).
If it is spoken english only, take a crash course. Plenty available in India.
sarahhigh
Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:32:08 PM
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Acquire vocabulary day by day and practice writing with your grammar background, then practice speaking what have been written; listen to English songs with the help of lyric support but try to have free-of-view listening sometimes after you have got to know all words in the lyrics.
anaxx
Posted: Sunday, March 28, 2010 11:11:23 PM
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talk to people who don't speak your language...have the guts. i found it's useful for a beginner like me.run towards your fear.
Abu Mussab
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:28:36 AM
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sarahhigh wrote:
Acquire vocabulary day by day and practice writing with your grammar background, then practice speaking what have been written; listen to English songs with the help of lyric support but try to have free-of-view listening sometimes after you have got to know all words in the lyrics.


What have been written or what has been written?

Abu Mussab
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:34:42 AM
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First, recognize the purpose of life. Once you do that, you will know for sure that we were created for a reason and that life is a test. Upon looking into the various religions, you will come to find that "Islaam" is the way of life of all the Messengers, Prophets, and righteous people, including Mary, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and Muhammad. Naturally, you would become a Muslim. Afterwards, listen to Dr. Bilal Philips, a Canadian communist who turned Muslim. He is among the most eloquent speakers and his language is firm.

The best way to improve your English is by listening to Islaamic lectures. In such a way where you attain worldly benefit, and eternal bliss.


And Allaah knows best.

Abu Mussab
sarahhigh
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:02:47 AM
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You can write a lot of essays, or what you write is just a bunch of words, that depends. That is the answer for "have" or "has".
If you are well-prepared, it means you have collected proper information for your performance especially when someone raises questions. If you have not prepared beforehand, I'm not sure you have enough knowledge to deal with questions from audience ( I mean in public speaking ).
Abu Mussab
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:56:44 AM
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sarahhigh wrote:
You can write a lot of essays, or what you write is just a bunch of words, that depends. That is the answer for "have" or "has".
If you are well-prepared, it means you have collected proper information for your performance especially when someone raises questions. If you have not prepared beforehand, I'm not sure you have enough knowledge to deal with questions from audience ( I mean in public speaking ).


I'm lost. I did not get it. Can you please rephrase your sentences?

Lady Penelope
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:40:07 AM
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Abu Mussab wrote:

The best way to improve your English is by listening to Islaamic lectures. In such a way where you attain worldly benefit, and eternal bliss.


And Allaah knows best.

Abu Mussab


English is English, no amount of other language lectures will do as much to help the student,
but to listen to the language of choice is the best option. This does not only apply to English.

Plus, I don't think religion, of any sort, should come into this thread.
kisholoy mukherjee
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:55:06 PM
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Abu Mussab wrote:
First, recognize the purpose of life. Once you do that, you will know for sure that we were created for a reason and that life is a test. Upon looking into the various religions, you will come to find that "Islaam" is the way of life of all the Messengers, Prophets, and righteous people, including Mary, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and Muhammad. Naturally, you would become a Muslim. Afterwards, listen to Dr. Bilal Philips, a Canadian communist who turned Muslim. He is among the most eloquent speakers and his language is firm.

The best way to improve your English is by listening to Islaamic lectures. In such a way where you attain worldly benefit, and eternal bliss.


And Allaah knows best.

Abu Mussab


Are you on something or what?? How on earth did you manage to relate your religious views with this thread??
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:04:04 PM

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kisholoy mukherjee wrote:


Are you on something or what?? How on earth did you manage to relate your religious views with this thread??


I think it's quite easy to relate religion with everything. But let me guess, Abu has learned his English by reading Al-Quran translated. I've read Koran in Finnish but not to learn language.

Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:14:05 PM

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Abu Mussab wrote:
First, recognize the purpose of life. Once you do that, you will know for sure that we were created for a reason and that life is a test. Upon looking into the various religions, you will come to find that "Islaam" is the way of life of all the Messengers, Prophets, and righteous people, including Mary, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and Muhammad. Naturally, you would become a Muslim. Afterwards, listen to Dr. Bilal Philips, a Canadian communist who turned Muslim. He is among the most eloquent speakers and his language is firm.

The best way to improve your English is by listening to Islaamic lectures. In such a way where you attain worldly benefit, and eternal bliss.


And Allaah knows best.

Abu Mussab


The original poster only asked how to improve English skills. If we happen to meet in the streets of Riad, and I ask you to tell me the way to Central Railway Station, do you advise me to recognise the purpose of life first?
kisholoy mukherjee
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:52:10 PM
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
But let me guess, Abu has learned his English by reading Al-Quran translated. I've read Koran in Finnish but not to learn language.



Brick wall
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:56:12 PM

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kisholoy mukherjee wrote:

Brick wall


Have you been hitting your head against the Wailing Wall?
The Saurus
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:41:43 PM
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Abu Mussab wrote:
First, recognize the purpose of life. Once you do that, you will know for sure that we were created for a reason and that life is a test. Upon looking into the various religions, you will come to find that "Islaam" is the way of life of all the Messengers, Prophets, and righteous people, including Mary, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and Muhammad. Naturally, you would become a Muslim. Afterwards, listen to Dr. Bilal Philips, a Canadian communist who turned Muslim. He is among the most eloquent speakers and his language is firm.

The best way to improve your English is by listening to Islaamic lectures. In such a way where you attain worldly benefit, and eternal bliss.


And Allaah knows best.

Abu Mussab


It's like targeted advertising has gotten that much more elaborate.
Clement
Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:26:08 PM
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You want to improve your English? Read, read out loud, then write about what you've just read. Watch TV in English. It doesn't have to be news programs. TV provides good audio-visual. Listen to the radio. Preferably the Public Radio. If you listen to dj's and political talk shows, you'll get distracted by the content and not the sound of spoken language.

And, in this Internet age, have a good dictionary site handy. TFD for example.
Abu Mussab
Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:25:34 AM
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I am shocked at the negative feedback I received from some for simply putting in my two cents.

Each person gives advice according to what he/she found to be beneficial and practical. I believe that you all recognize the concept associated with freedom of belief and expression.

Since I found the method I mentioned to be suitable, I advised accordingly. What is the difference between my suggestion and the suggestion of the person who felt like music was the best means to learn English?

And no, I did not learn English by merely reading the Qur'aan in English.. Thank you for such wonderful assumptions. It reflects your broadmindedness and intelligence.

Abu Mussab

srirr
Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:47:14 AM

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Abu Mussab wrote:
First, recognize the purpose of life. Once you do that, you will know for sure that we were created for a reason and that life is a test. Upon looking into the various religions, you will come to find that "Islaam" is the way of life of all the Messengers, Prophets, and righteous people, including Mary, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and Muhammad. Naturally, you would become a Muslim. Afterwards, listen to Dr. Bilal Philips, a Canadian communist who turned Muslim. He is among the most eloquent speakers and his language is firm.

The best way to improve your English is by listening to Islaamic lectures. In such a way where you attain worldly benefit, and eternal bliss.


And Allaah knows best.

Abu Mussab


This is not a place to promote or advocate any religion or faith. I agree with other posters (one who posts) who questioned Abu's post.

And as Abu tries to debate,
Abu Mussab wrote:
Each person gives advice according to what he/she found to be beneficial and practical. I believe that you all recognize the concept associated with freedom of belief and expression.

Since I found the method I mentioned to be suitable, I advised accordingly. What is the difference between my suggestion and the suggestion of the person who felt like music was the best means to learn English?


There is difference between the posts by Abu and others. Fine, he found the method to be suitable and hence posted it. But with the method (of Islamic lectures), why this promotion of Islam? If you are so confident about your method, refrain yourself to that.

Naturally, you would become a Muslim. Is this the method of improving English? Then anyone can infer that all Muslims are well-versed in English. Or to learn and improve English, one should first follow Islam. ????????????????????

Freedom of expression doesnot mean to express anything. The expression should be relevant, judicious and thoughtful.

I am against Abu's views.
Abu Mussab
Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:59:31 AM
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I do not wish to make anyone upset here, nor do I want to turn this to a debate. I am not denying my attempt to deliver the message of Islaam to you. I was trying to get two birds with one stone. My concept has to do with something deeper than the superficial values that humans have developed.

I do not mean to offend anyone. I assumed that since, you're all educated people, I can share my perspective on matters and leave it up to you to agree or ignore. When someone does not agree, either they correct, or they brush it aside.

What is the objective behind languages and learning them if they do not become means for us to communicate? I perceive them(languages & communication) to be harmonious and compatible.

Apologies again for those I offended. I only wish goodness for everyone.

Abu Mussab
kisholoy mukherjee
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
kisholoy mukherjee wrote:

Brick wall


Have you been hitting your head against the Wailing Wall?


Yes you noticed correctly. Brick wall Brick wall
sarahhigh
Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:33:34 AM
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kisholoy mukherjee wrote:
Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
kisholoy mukherjee wrote:

Brick wall


Have you been hitting your head against the Wailing Wall?


Yes you noticed correctly. Brick wall Brick wall





You have made good point.
Abu : Your English cannot make you understand my English. How about all other people's English from different countries? They are all different from Islamic English ( or so ) . Once you have a belief, others have their believes, too. Try to persuade them starting from their background, not yours. Be intelliegent, and, at least, respect other believes and points of view, once you wish to get repect from people. I respect Islam, but I am in another religion. If you respect others' religions, they will respect yours, no higher wishes for individual's religion.
Abu Mussab
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sarahhigh wrote:
kisholoy mukherjee wrote:
Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
kisholoy mukherjee wrote:

Brick wall


Have you been hitting your head against the Wailing Wall?


Yes you noticed correctly. Brick wall Brick wall





You have made good point.
Abu : Your English cannot make you understand my English. How about all other people's English from different countries? They are all different from Islamic English ( or so ) . Once you have a belief, others have their believes, too. Try to persuade them starting from their background, not yours. Be intelliegent, and, at least, respect other believes and points of view, once you wish to get repect from people. I respect Islam, but I am in another religion. If you respect others' religions, they will respect yours, no higher wishes for individual's religion.


Hmm.I don't know where to begin. I could not understand your English due to the ambiguity in your speech and perhaps sentence structure errors.

Have you ever heard anyone say, "You have made good point"? I always thought you needed an "a" before good point. So consider that.

As for your allegations about me needing to be intelligent(very humble approach indeed), and that I need to respect other religions, please scroll back up to my statements and pinpoint where I disrespected anyone's belief.

Also, to what extent do you respect a Satan worshipper? Please enlighten us
sarahhigh
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Satan does not make a religion. Any more questions?
kisholoy mukherjee
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Abu Massab,
Please try and understand that preaching a religion is not looked upon as a good thing. In fact, you will invite hostility the moment you try to do something like that. If you look at the thread 'christian prayers vs terrorism' there also you will find that it has not gone down too well with people. So I hope you understand that preaching a religion is not something that you will be encouraged to do in here, much less appreciated.
Hence, please refrain from such attempts in the future.
Your English is very good and I think we will all agree that learning a language has nothing to do with knowing 'the purpose of life'. You have derailed too much hence the negative feedbacks.
No 'holy book' for that matter is sufficient to learn any language. Or even the right starting place.

sarahhigh
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I advice Abu to calm down to quote any more religion's speech. Question?
Abu Mussab
Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:24:35 PM
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kisholoy mukherjee wrote:
Abu Massab,
Please try and understand that preaching a religion is not looked upon as a good thing. In fact, you will invite hostility the moment you try to do something like that. If you look at the thread 'christian prayers vs terrorism' there also you will find that it has not gone down too well with people. So I hope you understand that preaching a religion is not something that you will be encouraged to do in here, much less appreciated.
Hence, please refrain from such attempts in the future.
Your English is very good and I think we will all agree that learning a language has nothing to do with knowing 'the purpose of life'. You have derailed too much hence the negative feedbacks.
No 'holy book' for that matter is sufficient to learn any language. Or even the right starting place.



I appreciate your straightforwardness and I understand the point you're trying to send across.

Just be mindful of my noble intent and do not assume that I was trying to cause some tribulation in this lovely English forum.

Wish you all the very best.

Abu Mussab
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Isaac Samuel
Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:49:34 PM
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rohan chawla:

That shouldn't be a problem if kisholoy is your neighbor.
sarahhigh
Posted: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:51:53 AM
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I don't suppose it's not good to learn English through English songs. If you love music, you can do well by music. If you love English, you can learn English well. If you love Islam, you can learn Islam. But i don't think English is the first language of Islam. That's why I learn English from native sources. I found many English songs written by native English speakers. I don't want to learn English from an "Islam Speaker".
You are afraid of music, you might. But don't pose your fear on others. People love music, yes I know there is such music which kills people. That's why we listen to determined songs ( the songs we like ). I heard from people here and there that music could arouse their energy in doing things.
What kind of music do you like ? ( or you can say No )
kisholoy mukherjee
Posted: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 3:25:06 AM
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sarahhigh,
I don't remember Abu saying he is 'afraid of music'. He had said "What is the difference between my suggestion and the suggestion of the person who felt like music was the best means to learn English?"
I think the matter can be put to rest now.
I think Rohan has got his answer by now.
All is well. Just to lighten things up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ0dIrj0qoU
ldxrg
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rohan chawla wrote:
good
Abu Mussab
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sarahhigh wrote:
I don't suppose it's not good to learn English through English songs. If you love music, you can do well by music. If you love English, you can learn English well. If you love Islam, you can learn Islam. But i don't think English is the first language of Islam. That's why I learn English from native sources. I found many English songs written by native English speakers. I don't want to learn English from an "Islam Speaker".
You are afraid of music, you might. But don't pose your fear on others. People love music, yes I know there is such music which kills people. That's why we listen to determined songs ( the songs we like ). I heard from people here and there that music could arouse their energy in doing things.
What kind of music do you like ? ( or you can say No )


Ms. Sarah,

It is very unfortunate how aggressive you have become, along with various accusations and hardcore stereotyping.

I, however, forgive you and kindly ask you to put an end to this discussion.

I have previously explained my understanding of the consequences of my actions and emphatically declared that I will avoid such an approach in the future.

Can we please agree to that?

Abu Mussab
srirr
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Now, I second Abu.
We should end this discussion. No personal offences to anyone from anyone. Thanks.

P.S: I may have difference of opinion with Abu, but I find him matured and considerate.
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