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Luker4
Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:36:49 AM

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.... So I am studying the lyric of hallelujah


"Maybe there’s a God above
But all I’ve ever learned from love
Was how to shoot at someone who outdrew you
It’s not a cry you can hear at night
It’s not somebody who has seen the light
It’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelujah"



outdraw
1. to draw a gun, revolver, etc., from a holster, faster than (an opponent or competitor).
2. to prove a greater attraction than.




"who outdrew you" what does it mean here ? someone who pointed a gun at her or someone who was more attractive to her ? I think the latter Whistle

thar
Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 9:13:28 AM

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Draw - pull out your gun

out+ verb = do better than
outdo, outrun, outswim, outthink

here, outdraw - to do it better, and since the point is a fast draw, they do it faster.

so you are dead - you lose, they win.
What that means in a more existential level is a personal interpretation.




image is to show the one outdrawing the other. The shadow bit is just because it was more fun than the serious images!











Tim0101
Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 9:20:14 AM

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Boo hoo! Draw a picture Applause
Luker4
Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:15:25 AM

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Hi Thar :)


tell me more about this Think I am not quite as lucky at understanding this than lucky luke is at shooting
( I don't remember actually I watched this very long time ago Whistle )
thar
Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 10:43:04 AM

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What bit is the problem?
Ignore the image - I needed a laugh.
Think of an old American cowboy movie (I am sure they have got everywhere...)
Two men stand with their hands over their holsters. One moves first, starts to draw his gun, but the other one is faster, outdraws him and shoots first.
What that is a metaphor for with the two shooters being two lovers in the battle of romantic relationships is anybody's guess!
But it sounds like it never ended well for Mr Cohen!
Romany
Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 11:16:29 AM
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Luker -

This is one of my favourite song-writer/poets talking here: and the reason it has no 'black and white' meaning is the reason behind his popularity.

One can't really pick a particular word or even phrase out of one of his songs and try to find a definitive meaning. It will be different for each person who listens to it. And as for what HE meant when he wrote it? well that's a very personal thing which we will probably never find out.

The best thing to do with one of his songs is to listen to the WHOLE song - don't worry about each tiny little piece of it - and see what it makes YOU feel or think.

THAT's what it means.
Luker4
Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 12:04:32 PM

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Now I understand. this is a poem. thanks I thought I was missing something


hmmmmm so... there is no sense asking about "It’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelujah" then, is there ? Whistle




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Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:21:28 PM

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Luker4 wrote:
Now I understand. this is a poem. thanks I thought I was missing something
hmmmmm so... there is no sense asking about "It’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelujah" then, is there ?
Whistle

Probably no more sense in asking that, than in asking what Mandarins have to do with Christ on a cross (Suzanne)
Very effective words though . . .Think
thar
Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:20:22 PM

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Not to sound too precious, but, you don't understand lyrics like this - you just feel them!
Sometimes they make more sense than others.
So, beyond the bare bones of the general meaning of the words in that metaphor, the meaning is open to any interpretation....

I know Leonard Cohen wrote it, but in the spirit of Romany's point that everybody has an interpretation, and this is the one I heard first, this is the one for me. And sadder knowing his early death.

For anyone who has a soul....

Hallelujah

Miriam...
Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:17:50 AM

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Thank you, Thar, for the link.
I think Jeff Buckley's rendition
of Leonard Cohen's song *Hallelujah*
is truly beautiful. I think of all the
versions of this song, this is the first
one that *I* have heard that --
perhaps in part by its video --
expresses and incorporates into the
song the Hebrew idea of Shabbot
and the welcoming of the Shekinah...
A very deep and beautiful belief and
concept, one that I fear at this late hour on my
cell phone, I will run out of time and space
To write about.
One of the Jewish
mitzvahs is to light candles and drink wine and say or sing
A prayer of praise to G-d at twilight or dusk
When the Shekinah -- the femine expression of G-d's
essence-- enters this world, the world of man,
at sundown on Friday night which is the beginning of the Sabbath.
In this song, I think this idea is mingled humanity's essential 'brokenness*
and his flawed experience with love and his longing for G-d.

Miriam...
Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:19:11 AM

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Thank you, Thar, for the link.
I think Jeff Buckley's rendition
of Leonard Cohen's song *Hallelujah*
is truly beautiful. I think of all the
versions of this song, this is the first
one that *I* have heard that --
perhaps in part by its video --
expresses and incorporates into the
song the Hebrew idea of Shabbot
and the welcoming of the Shekinah...
A very deep and beautiful belief and
concept, one that I fear at this late hour on my
cell phone, I will run out of time and space
To write about.
One of the Jewish
mitzvahs is to light candles and drink wine and say or sing
A prayer of praise to G-d at twilight or dusk
When the Shekinah -- the femine expression of G-d's
essence-- enters this world, the world of man,
at sundown on Friday night which is the beginning of the Sabbath.
In this song, I think this idea is mingled humanity's essential 'brokenness*
and his flawed experience with love and his longing for G-d.

thar
Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2015 6:18:54 AM

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Thanks for that, Miriam. it is a new idea to me, but I can see how it fits in with everything he is saying, and the way it is expressed. Makes it even more beautiful, and perhaps a bit less sad.
Luker4
Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:35:59 AM

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actually this Guy got me interested Link here

But I like this version the most

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