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Daemon
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Democracy ... arises out of the notion that those who are equal in any respect are equal in all respects; because men are equally free, they claim to be absolutely equal.

Aristotle (384 BC-322 BC)
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Democracy ... arises out of the notion that those who are equal in any respect are equal in all respects; because men are equally free, they claim to be absolutely equal.

Aristotle (384 BC-322 BC)

Aristotle is generalizing as to the notions of freedom and democracy... there are various levels of freedom and freedom has to be earned by virtue and moral conduct. Many types of freedom are illusions, false premises that only create burden for people who are blind to the fact. Democracy has never existed because people do not know how to handle freedom
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Aslong as guns are freely available,people are wielding them!Unable to watch any news because its full of violence and terrorism.
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Daemon wrote:
Democracy ... arises out of the notion that those who are equal in any respect are equal in all respects; because men are equally free, they claim to be absolutely equal.

Aristotle (384 BC-322 BC)

Aristotle is saying a lot here. He's questioning equality, & it's impossibility. Therefore democracy based on equality is itself a manifestation of that fundamental inequality. Or have I just confused myself? Think
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The quote in context from:

Politics By Aristotle Written 350 B.C.E Translated by Benjamin Jowett


Book Five

Part I


The design which we proposed to ourselves is now nearly completed. Next in order follow the causes of revolution in states, how many, and of what nature they are; what modes of destruction apply to particular states, and out of what, and into what they mostly change; also what are the modes of preservation in states generally, or in a particular state, and by what means each state may be best preserved: these questions remain to be considered.

In the first place we must assume as our starting-point that in the many forms of government which have sprung up there has always been an acknowledgment of justice and proportionate equality, although mankind fail attaining them, as I have already explained. Democracy, for example, arises out of the notion that those who are equal in any respect are equal in all respects; because men are equally free, they claim to be absolutely equal. Oligarchy is based on the notion that those who are unequal in one respect are in all respects unequal; being unequal, that is, in property, they suppose themselves to be unequal absolutely. The democrats think that as they are equal they ought to be equal in all things; while the oligarchs, under the idea that they are unequal, claim too much, which is one form of inequality. All these forms of government have a kind of justice, but, tried by an absolute standard, they are faulty; and, therefore, both parties, whenever their share in the government does not accord with their preconceived ideas, stir up revolution. Those who excel in virtue have the best right of all to rebel (for they alone can with reason be deemed absolutely unequal), but then they are of all men the least inclined to do so. There is also a superiority which is claimed by men of rank; for they are thought noble because they spring from wealthy and virtuous ancestors. Here then, so to speak, are opened the very springs and fountains of revolution; and hence arise two sorts of changes in governments; the one affecting the constitution, when men seek to change from an existing form into some other, for example, from democracy into oligarchy, and from oligarchy into democracy, or from either of them into constitutional government or aristocracy, and conversely; the other not affecting the constitution, when, without disturbing the form of government, whether oligarchy, or monarchy, or any other, they try to get the administration into their own hands. Further, there is a question of degree; an oligarchy, for example, may become more or less oligarchical, and a democracy more or less democratical; and in like manner the characteristics of the other forms of government may be more or less strictly maintained. Or the revolution may be directed against a portion of the constitution only, e.g., the establishment or overthrow of a particular office: as at Sparta it is said that Lysander attempted to overthrow the monarchy, and King Pausanias, the Ephoralty. At Epidamnus, too, the change was partial. For instead of phylarchs or heads of tribes, a council was appointed; but to this day the magistrates are the only members of the ruling class who are compelled to go to the Heliaea when an election takes place, and the office of the single archon was another oligarchical feature. Everywhere inequality is a cause of revolution, but an inequality in which there is no proportion- for instance, a perpetual monarchy among equals; and always it is the desire of equality which rises in rebellion.

http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.5.five.html
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"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"


Isaac Asimov
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The quote comes from his Politics, a large part of which is trying to justify (to some extent) the notion of slavery.

'We see then that there is some foundation for this difference of opinion, and that all are not either slaves by nature or freemen by nature, and also that there is in some cases a marked distinction between the two classes, rendering it expedient and right for the one to be slaves and the others to be masters: the one practicing obedience, the others exercising the authority and lordship which nature intended them to have. The abuse of this authority is injurious to both; for the interests of part and whole, of body and soul, are the same, and the slave is a part of the master, a living but separated part of his bodily frame. Hence, where the relation of master and slave between them is natural they are friends and have a common interest, but where it rests merely on law and force the reverse is true.'


and again

'those who are as different from other men as the soul from the body or man from beast—and they are in this state if their work is the use of the body, and if this is the best that can come from them—are slaves by nature. For them it is better to be ruled in accordance with this sort of rule, if such is the case for the other things mentioned'

It seems odd to try and embrace the notions of democracy and slavery in one package. You find the same unease reading Socrates (via Plato). Meno's slave looks like a performing dog when asked to demonstrate a geometric problem. Unfortunately his new found skill didn't get him promoted.

To be fair to the Greeks, there are almost certainly more slaves in the 21st century than there have ever been (not so many in the Galleys fortunately)..
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Equality and quality are close enough, but not the same…
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not now
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A. Rukhin wrote:
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"


Isaac Asimov


Yes, as long as it is American (or Japanese, Chinese, British), our trash is everyone's treasure. We are exceptional.
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in todays world all men-women are treated as equals......being treated and respected as a human being is the most important thing.
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sandeep patra wrote:
in todays world all men-women are treated as equals......being treated and respected as a human being is the most important thing.



some might say being treated and respected as a living being is the most important thing
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somone else would say: being treated and respected as a living being in this world should be a dream.
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Let's not forget, what kind of "equality" Aristotle meant:
"The courage of man is shown in commanding, of a woman in obeying" (Politics, 1259b. 1, 1260a. 24)
"more mischievous, less simple, more impulsive ... more compassionate[,] ... more easily moved to tears[,] ... more jealous, more querulous, more apt to scold and to strike[,] ... more prone to despondency and less hopeful[,] ... more void of shame or self-respect, more false of speech, more deceptive, of more retentive memory [and] ... also more wakeful; more shrinking [and] more difficult to rouse to action" (History of Animals, 608b. 1-14)
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Sandeep patra should know women are Not treated equally. Honor Killings are Not the result of being treated equally. Women are abused in horrific ways around the globe.
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Democracy has always been a utupian vision of a perfect society.- Shall we ever witness such a thing on earth?
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Thank you Monamagda, Pedro and Mv Log for bringing out Aristotle's variety of thoughts on equality. It seems to me, as in the Declaration, that we are created equal and how we conduct our lives from that point should determine our standing vis a vis everyone else. Clearly there are societies in which the heads that stick out above the crowd get pushed down, or worse, either by the oligarchs or the democrats.
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Equality in that each has the of us is free to pursue our own personal version of happiness to the extent that the rights of others are not infringed, and that this is a right fundamental to our being.
It is the witness of absolute moral authority in our conscience that we recognize the intrinsic value of human life.



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Without the numerous distractions in todays world, there would be many more of the Aristotle thinkers, or, maybe not.....I guess I'm just a little naive.
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Daemon wrote:
Democracy ... arises out of the notion that those who are equal in any respect are equal in all respects; because men are equally free, they claim to be absolutely equal.

Aristotle (384 BC-322 BC)


Democracy, as the term implies, arises out of the notion that what is good for the greatest number of people ought to be good for everybody else.

But the majority seldom really ruled anywhere, in any democracy--least of all in peoples democracies of communist style. Every form of government
had leaders living in fear of the "rule of the mob", when in fact the mob never ruled except briefly in some revolutions seeking equality.

What ails democracy is not the lack of absolute equality, (there is no such thing and how could there be?... equality has a multitude of purpose,
just turn around and someone will find a new one to claim).

What ails democracy is the lack of basic reasonable equity: fairness of thought, speech, and deeds towards the next person and the society at large.

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