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Elysium
Posted: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:19:14 PM

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Is it possible for humans to alter the laws of physics?
Whoa, big question there. Eh?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:35:23 AM

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We can alter the KNOWN laws of physics; but then the alteration becomes a new KNOWN law of physics.
Could we alter purported, absolute, yet unknown, laws of physics (aka Theory of Everything (TOE))? No. As humans are themselves obeying those laws, down to the molecular and mind state levels, this would mean that those laws must incorporate the mechanism for such an alteration. Otherwise said, these laws would predict their own, self-alterations and hence, in essence, wouldn't be modified. If it'd somehow get modified, whether by humans or by some cataclysmic event (e.g. Big Bang), then it wasn't a TOE to start with. These deep philosophical issues (self-reference, Gödel, etc.) makes it highly debatable whether such a TOE actually exists.
Whoa, big answer, eh?
Xinli Dai
Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:40:13 AM

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what are physics
Elvandil
Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:10:45 AM

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Elysium wrote:
Is it possible for humans to alter the laws of physics?
Whoa, big question there. Eh?


No. That's why they are "laws". If they could be violated, they would only be whims.

But we can never know all of them, either. A fundmental problem has arisen in the Theory of Everything (quite aside from the issue that some calculations are NP-hard and couldn't have been completed in the time the present universe has existed). Any Theory of Everything that encompassed all the known forces would itself need to obey the laws of that theory. The theory, in effect, would need to be about itself. This has raised a paradox as serious as the "This sentence is a lie" problem. According to Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem, humans will never be able to develop such a theory. Steven Hawking has called it "The End of Physics".

In any case, if Galileo and Kepler find dimensional anisotropy in their present measurements, the findings of CERN that the smaller we get the less there seems to be will be partially explained. That is because that is the test of whether our universe is a simulation and not real at all.
srilalitha p
Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:01:07 AM

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We are inside those laws! Well to change them we have to go outside? May be you should read works of Asimov?
kasparijus
Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:30:59 AM

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There are not laws of physics independent of our experiments, observations and understanding. We write those laws in a permanent essay to understand the space where we exist. From time to time we change the laws or put limits to the existing ones because of new experiments and observations.
Elysium
Posted: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:30:40 PM

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I've always thought that we were already defying physics by inventing the airplane.
Is it possible for another separate universe to have different physics, or is the laws of physics just all the same throughout...the Universe of Universes? Brick wall
leonAzul
Posted: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:54:57 PM

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Elysium wrote:
I've always thought that we were already defying physics by inventing the airplane.
Is it possible for another separate universe to have different physics, or is the laws of physics just all the same throughout...the Universe of Universes? Brick wall


I've always thought we were applying physics when we invented the airplane. Whistle


The possibility of a "multiverse" is currently a very lively topic of debate. At this time it is mostly a playground for higher mathematics, yet in the process of developing models for such a thing, some very useful insights into how mathematics works have been achieved.
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