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Daemon
Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:00:00 AM
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Our deeds determine us, as much as we determine our deeds.

George Eliot (1819-1880)
Vit Babenco
Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:40:02 AM

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What is the cause? And what is the effect?
Dialectrum
Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 2:18:51 AM

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Vit Babenco wrote:
What is the cause? And what is the effect?


Who is the egg? And who is the chicken?
Clairinde
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Our clothes and hair style define our visual appearance.
Our gestures, facial expressions and body language (posture) completes (making it completely) this image
And of course last but not least our minds, sense, brains, as we express ourselves in writing and orally.
All this - our actions, our deeds  - are included, mirrored or rejected by our opponent.
Sofia Glinyana
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Our deeds are the expression of our own thoughts, no matter how concious they are.
Sofia Glinyana
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Clairinde wrote:
Our clothes and hair style define our visual appearance.
Our gestures, facial expressions and body language (posture) completes (making it completely) this image
And of course last but not least our minds, sense, brains, as we express ourselves in writing and orally.
All this - our actions, our deeds  - are included, mirrored or rejected by our opponent.

Very well said! Thank you!
moniquester
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How could it be otherwise???
shahidmost
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The basic of our needs are natural. For instance, our need for food, for shelter, for procreation, and further along the way, our needs for emotional satisfaction, social approbation and actualization of the self – to seek out the meanings and the purpose of our existence. The rest of our needs are born out of this basic set, from what we naturally need, particularly from the way we choose to meet the basic set of our needs in our personal, social or cultural capacity.

This is the fact that we cannot determine that nature of our basic needs, for instance, we cannot get rid of our need for food. We can however determine as to how we are going to meet our basic needs, the way we are going to satisfy our hunger. We all need food, the rich as well as the poor, but it is the rich who are commonly known to indulge, to need most elaborately and exuberantly what could have been needed quite simply.

The way we choose to meet our basic needs, the way we determine for their fulfilment, will eventually come to bear upon the states of mind and body, on the way we behave and live our lives. If I choose to determine my needs simplistically, I would not have to live exuberantly. Or, is it too simple to understand?
**
Bully_rus
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Yeah, as a rule for deeds give more than for good or bad intentions... Your last statement, please.
Alenka
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That's true
monamagda
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The quote in context :
From,"ADAM BEDE" Chapter XXIX - The Next Morning

Are you inclined to ask whether this can be the same Arthur who, two months ago, had that freshness of feeling, that delicate honour which shrinks from wounding even a sentiment, and does not contemplate any more positive offence as possible for it?—who thought that his own self-respect was a higher tribunal than any external opinion? The same, I assure you, only under different conditions. Our deeds determine us, as much as we determine our deeds, and until we know what has been or will be the peculiar combination of outward with inward facts, which constitutes a man's critical actions, it will be better not to think ourselves wise about his character. There is a terrible coercion in our deeds, which may first turn the honest man into a deceiver and then reconcile him to the change, for this reason—that the second wrong presents itself to him in the guise of the only practicable right. The action which before commission has been seen with that blended common sense and fresh untarnished feeling which is the healthy eye of the soul, is looked at afterwards with the lens of apologetic ingenuity, through which all things that men call beautiful and ugly are seen to be made up of textures very much alike. Europe adjusts itself to a fait accompli, and so does an individual character—until the placid adjustment is disturbed by a convulsive retribution.

Read the book on line,
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/507/507-h/507-h.htm#link2HCH0029

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Eliot does not lose the opportunity to moralize upon the deeds of her characters. The moral philosophy she dispenses in Adam Bede is known as "ethical determinism" for reasons which this chapter makes clear. "Our deeds determine us, as much as we determine our deeds," says Eliot, and she goes on to illustrate the remark.
This pattern, according to Eliot, explains much of human behavior. A man is always free to make his first great moral choice, but after that choice is made his later actions (or some of them, at least) are determined by it. In her novels, the characters who make good moral choices prosper, while those who make bad moral choices fall.

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/a/adam-bede/summary-and-analysis/book-iv-chapter-29
Peter O'Connor - Dundalk
Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 9:55:07 AM

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We are what we eat - as much as we are what we think we are.
Rudra Saikat
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Truly, there is an essential interrelationship between ourselves and our deeds.
Rudra Saikat
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Truly, there is an essential interrelationship between ourselves and our deeds. Boo hoo!
Rudra Saikat
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Truly, there is an essential interrelationship between ourselves and our deeds. Boo hoo!
Robert Imgrat
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shahidmost wrote:
**
The basic of our needs are natural. For instance, our need for food, for shelter, for procreation, and further along the way, our needs for emotional satisfaction, social approbation and actualization of the self – to seek out the meanings and the purpose of our existence. The rest of our needs are born out of this basic set, from what we naturally need, particularly from the way we choose to meet the basic set of our needs in our personal, social or cultural capacity.

This is the fact that we cannot determine that nature of our basic needs, for instance, we cannot get rid of our need for food. We can however determine as to how we are going to meet our basic needs, the way we are going to satisfy our hunger. We all need food, the rich as well as the poor, but it is the rich who are commonly known to indulge, to need most elaborately and exuberantly what could have been needed quite simply.

The way we choose to meet our basic needs, the way we determine for their fulfilment, will eventually come to bear upon the states of mind and body, on the way we behave and live our lives. If I choose to determine my needs simplistically, I would not have to live exuberantly. Or, is it too simple to understand?
**

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Nearly good but following you thoughts I cannot understand how poor might have indulged in food to make equality in between the behaviour of poor and rich. This means that rich indulge because they can afford and poor cannot. Or maybe it is your idea to make all of people poor at the same level. What is similar to make the entire humanity as consisting of fools. Soviet Russia did it in the past and eventually collapsed. Otherwise your accusation in direction of rich in useless.
Gary98
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It is like we teach our children, and in turn our children teach us.

We have total say about our deeds, can't blame it on our children. Our Children do have influence on us.
Gary98
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Daemon wrote:
Our deeds determine us, as much as we determine our deeds.

George Eliot (1819-1880)


It is really we who determine our deeds, and then our deeds define who we are. Hence we determine who we are.

She put it glibly, and not really incorrectly. These are fine words for a politician.
d_marx
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On a person's intent. Very clever. :)
Dialectrum
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Rudra Saikat wrote:
Truly, there is an essential interrelationship between ourselves and our deeds. Boo hoo!


I'm sorry, what did you say?
Dosei Iantha Evans
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Peter John O'Connor wrote:
We are what we eat - as much as we are what we think we are.

*sigh
Absurdicuss
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I think it was Mark Twain who wrote: words are pennies actions are dollars.

We are what we do.
Fredric-frank Myers
Posted: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:00:06 PM

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Yes, and least we forget this quote, someone will surly remind us if our deeds are not "above-board".
Verbatim
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Daemon wrote:
Our deeds determine us, as much as we determine our deeds.

George Eliot (1819-1880)


But first, our thoughts shape us for the deeds to come.
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