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Daemon
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I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is the victory over self.

Aristotle (384 BC-322 BC)
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Makes me want to be a self-abnegating ascetic.
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Good quote.
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I agree with Aristotle but one must recognize which desires are bad and then strive to overcome them. There are good desires such as the desire to help other people, the desire to be close to God, and many others.
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Obviously, by 'desires' Aristotle meant the desires of the flesh that act as a hindrance in the way to overcoming yourself. You are your worst and most stubborn enemy. That is why it is so hard to gain victory over yourself.
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Judging by the number of catholic priests who have fallen by the wayside it may be too tall an order for an ordinary mortal.
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Judging by the number of Catholic priests who have stayed on the straight and narrow, maybe it's worth trying to win victory over one's selfish pleasures!!!
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The hardest victory comes from a combination of wisdom and discipline.







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True. Profoundly true.
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pedro wrote:
Judging by the number of catholic priests who have fallen by the wayside it may be too tall an order for an ordinary mortal.


You may or may not imply that catholic priests have higher moral standards. I do not think they do. If they do, the one who have fallen by the wayside should have been cleared away immediately, and not swept under the rug.
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Alexander Pope did say: To err is human; to forgive, divine.
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"self abnegating" is redundant.
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"I count him/her braver who overcomes his/her desires than him/her who conquers his/her enemies; for the hardest victory is the victory over self." Applause

Aristotle (384 BC-322 BC)

Aristotle is a father of Ethics, but he did not realize that Athens did not have democracy in practice, which Plato realized after the Athenian government murdered Socrates.

How sad that Aristotle either did not know about Lysistrata or deliberately disregarded her! For males who are encouraging and financing prostitution are prostitutes themselves! Prostitution and military threats operate by bullying, greed, and money power which they use to suppress progressive people.

No military commander can say that he exercises self-control when he can't control his hatred, greed for power, glory, money.
St. Francis, St. Teresa, Gandhi, Desmond Tutu, Mother Theresa, etc., who had true discipline and wisdom, are true commanders who know how to conquer their killer instinct and power greed and vain emotions of superiority over others. They know well who is behind prostitution and legalized murders of those who tell the truth. The Courts of Heaven will judge justly.

Milica Boghunovich
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Prolix wrote:
"self abnegating" is redundant.


speaks the burger king
Prolix
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I did do my research. According to TFD abnegation=self denial, hence "self-self denial".
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pedro wrote:
Judging by the number of catholic priests who have fallen by the wayside it may be too tall an order for an ordinary mortal.


Most catholic priests do not fall by the wayside and they are ordinary mortals so it is not too tall an order.
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“One who conquers himself is greater than another who conquers a thousand times a thousand on the battlefield.” – Buddha
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Daemon wrote:
I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is the victory over self.

Aristotle (384 BC-322 BC)


Braver yet, him and her, who overcome the desires to conquer-- therefore no victory required.
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Joy Frohlich wrote:
I agree with Aristotle but one must recognize which desires are bad and then strive to overcome them. There are good desires such as the desire to help other people, the desire to be close to God, and many others.

I'm sure he meant the sinful ones, not the unsinful ones.
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Prolix wrote:
"self abnegating" is redundant.



Quite so, and welcome to the forum. It takes some denial of self to be here, so to speak, what with so many opinions.
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I don't know any Catholic priests. Some on this thread seem to know Lots of them; enough to lump them all together as if they march in unison to abuse, lie and be evil in general. The wolves are always sneaking into the lamb corral, but that does not mean there are no lambs nor Shepherds left.

I enjoy the varied opinions. It is always good to consider a different way of seeing the world.
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Brave is the lion tamer, brave is the world subduer, but braver is the one who has subdued himself.
--- Johann Gottfried von Herder


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Milica Boghunovich wrote:
"I count him/her braver who overcomes his/her desires than him/her who conquers his/her enemies; for the hardest victory is the victory over self." Applause

Aristotle (384 BC-322 BC)

Aristotle is a father of Ethics, but he did not realize that Athens did not have democracy in practice, which Plato realized after the Athenian government murdered Socrates.

How sad that Aristotle either did not know about Lysistrata or deliberately disregarded her! For males who are encouraging and financing prostitution are prostitutes themselves! Prostitution and military threats operate by bullying, greed, and money power which they use to suppress progressive people.

No military commander can say that he exercises self-control when he can't control his hatred, greed for power, glory, money.
St. Francis, St. Teresa, Gandhi, Desmond Tutu, Mother Theresa, etc., who had true discipline and wisdom, are true commanders who know how to conquer their killer instinct and power greed and vain emotions of superiority over others. They know well who is behind prostitution and legalized murders of those who tell the truth. The Courts of Heaven will judge justly.



That is the most relevant and hard hitting example you put forth. Sadly, no military commander/leader can, and they aren't even needed to justify themselves as such sort of power and glory millions of people comply with, thus many more start to strive to attain such goals and hence they all bow to what appears to be worthy and ambitious. So is born a world of subservience, where millions willingly submit to without ever questioning the authority irrespective of their credibility, as a result giving birth to conformity on a grand scale.
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