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nima_persian
Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:02:25 AM
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substitute for somebody/something
Nothing can substitute for the advice your doctor is able to give you.

substitute A for B
Margarine can be substituted for butter in this recipe.

substitute B with/by A
Butter can be substituted with margarine in this recipe.

I am wondering what is the differnece between these?
moniquester
Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 3:31:20 AM

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Between A & B, there is no difference.
The Singing Gardener
Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:54:33 AM

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They do mean the same; In both cases the butter is first choice and the margarine is the substitute, but notice how the order changes if you want to use either construction in the future.

Make sure you know which item is the original and which item is the substitute.
nima_persian
Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:51:15 AM
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I couldn't get this. I think it could be clear by some example.d'oh!

Make sure you know which item is the original and which item is the substitute.
The Singing Gardener
Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:35:00 AM

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Ok....

For the example you have used imagine a printed ingredients list for a cake.

It lists 100g flour, 100g sugar, 100g butter and 2 eggs.

When you get to the method it says: If you don't want to use butter you can use margarine instead.

Alternatively it could have said 'Margarine can be substituted for butter in this recipe.'
or 'Butter can be substituted with margarine in this recipe.'

butter is the original and margarine is the substitute.
Margarine can replace butter or butter can be replaced by margarine

nima_persian
Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:39:13 AM
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Great thanks.Pray Applause
AndEng
Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:46:31 AM

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Hi nima,

you have two possibilities:

someone/something can be substituted for someone/something else

or

someone/something can be substituted with someone/something else

In this form they can be easily mixed up. Let's try to make clearer.
In both sentences there is always someone or something that we will called old that is replaced with someone or something that we will call new.

With this trick the two sentences become (hopefully) clearer and you will see that the old and the new will change position as suggested by The Singing Gardner:

substitute someone/something NEW for someone/something else OLD

or

substitute someone/something OLD with someone/something else NEW

Examples

In this recipee margarine(NEW) can be substituted for butter (OLD)

or equally

In this recipee butter (OLD) can be substituted with margarine (NEW)


In this race it is better to substitute the new younger runner for the old one, if we want to have chances to win.

or equivalently

In this race it is better to substitute the old runner with the new younger one, if we want to have chances to win.
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Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 7:15:52 AM

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Thanks for the answers
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