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man in black
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:11:44 AM
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I guess many people will be wondering if the catastrophic signs we are witnesses to these days are, particularly the event in Haity, a warning to what will happen in a nearby future. I am sure that the recently premiered movie 2012 when associated with real life catastrophes can kindled our minds and lend an air of veracity to the Mayan predictions. A documentary called: HOME, which by the way is superb, Scientifically illustrates the destruction of our world and the neglectfulness of those who can do anything about it.
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:30:35 AM
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And what can you do about an earthquake when large populations live on fault lines? I'm not sure that an early warning satellite system would have done very much to save the Tsunami victims of 2004 or the hurricane victims in New Orleans. The world is overpopulated and disasters are inevitable. I wouldn't place too much credence in Mayan predictions (did they predict their own demise?) And 2012 is only a film (sorry movie!)
Maggie
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:34:22 AM
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The film "Home" is in many ways more propaganda like we've gotten with the whole 'Global Warming' Hoax. It does have some good points, and we should be good stewards of the land. But some of the claims are just as ridiculous as the idea that greenhouse gases are causing our climate to change.

And no, I don't think the quake in Haiti is a precursor of things to come. To paraphrase an off color adage: Quakes happen.
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44:17 AM

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You may take it as a reminder of what disasters look like but a catastrophe is not an omen. Don't worry about December twenty-first of 2012, nobody has numinous foreknowledge.
LordFlashHeart
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:07:26 AM
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It may be a warning of doomsday or just further proof that the theory of Plate Tectonics is actually responsible for the current shape of the landmases and not that of a magical god.
xsmith
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:17:34 AM
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Science in 2010 is able to explain a lot of things -- but not everything of course. Omens and such are beliefs that are of no substance. Below the earth's surface, including beneath the oceans floor are thousands of fault lines, tectonic plates, and dormant volcanoes. Tectonic plates are always moving around. So, when the North American tectonic plate interacts with the Caribbean tectonic plate an earthquake is bound to occur. Such is the case in Haiti.

I recommend a visit to the Science Museum in Baltimore to experience a great demonstration and lecture on this very subject.

We've had a couple of small quakes in New York State over the past 20 years or so.
gatodepatasblancas
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:19:37 AM
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Catastrophes realy happens, and they are catastrophes because there are human beings involved.

In the past, Mississipi River went wild, flooding all the lands next to its course, knocking down thousand of acres of forest. Wild life was wasted.

Why nobody called this a catastrophe?

This happenend when there was no humans in North America, the geologists knew of this event by geological evidence. In this moment, a repeticion of that river performance would be a desaster.

Maggie is right: quakes happen.

Besides, nobody realy understand Mayan Prophesies, some bodysaid that 'end of the world' means 'a change of mankind way of thinking'.

Who knows realy?

Greetings
Galad
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:21:34 AM

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From WIKI:

10 worst NATURAL disasters on Record with estimated death tolls

1. 1931 China floods: 1,000,000–4,000,000
2. 1887 Yellow River flood, China: 900,000–2,000,000
3. 1556 Shaanxi earthquake: 830,000
4. 1970 Bhola cyclone,Bangladesh: 500,000
5. 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake/tsunami: 230,000+
6. 526 Antioch earthquake, Byzantine Empire: 250,000
7. 1976 Tangshan earthquake: 242,000
8. 1920 Haiyuan earthquake: 240,000
9. 1839 India Cyclone: 300,000
10. 1975 Banqiao Dam flood, China: 90,000–230,000


The planet itself is a living being (current estimates 4.5 BILLION years)and could care less about us temporary inhabitants.

Christine
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:07:44 PM
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Mayan predictions=bull

I watched HOME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

Thanks for telling me about this. At first it was beautiful but in the end was sad.
AnthA1G
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:59:09 PM

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Christine wrote:
Mayan predictions=bull sh-t


Applause Couldn't have said it better!
Epiphileon
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:11:48 PM

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I agree with the BS verdict; however, there is one predictor of doom that is indisputably valid, and currently proceeding unchecked across a host of relevant variables.
Exponential Growth in a Finite System is Unsupportable, and Predominantly Terminates in Catastrophic Failure!
Mr. Soria
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:01:53 PM
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Mrs. Christine :
I admire your pristine prose and direct and concise point of view and no less your polite and sweet comments to things you disagree with .
Your fervent admirer :
Mr. Soria .
RuthP
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:10:07 PM

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Succinctly: No!
paragorillabear
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:09:40 PM
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@ Pedro

According to those who study the Mayan calendar / prophecies,
the Mayans DID predict their own demise.

I'm not saying I myself agree with these conclusions or with any other notions about the calendar / prophecies.
I'm just saying.
Geeman
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:22:37 PM

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I used to have this really hilarious book that PROVED the world was going to end in 1983. Absolutely the best $0.25 I ever spent on a book.
TYSON
Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:09:35 PM
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Earthquakes happen. Why is this one any different?
Predictions about the end of the world have happened too (always incorrect).

AND ANOTHER THING. The Mayan calandar did not predict the end of the world. It's a calandar that works on cycles, the latest cycle ends soon. Not the world its-self.

LeadPal
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JackH
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:20:12 AM
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Galad wrote:
From WIKI:

10 worst NATURAL disasters on Record with estimated death tolls

1. 1931 China floods: 1,000,000–4,000,000
2. 1887 Yellow River flood, China: 900,000–2,000,000
3. 1556 Shaanxi earthquake: 830,000
4. 1970 Bhola cyclone,Bangladesh: 500,000
5. 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake/tsunami: 230,000+
6. 526 Antioch earthquake, Byzantine Empire: 250,000
7. 1976 Tangshan earthquake: 242,000
8. 1920 Haiyuan earthquake: 240,000
9. 1839 India Cyclone: 300,000
10. 1975 Banqiao Dam flood, China: 90,000–230,000



The planet itself is a living being (current estimates 4.5 BILLION years)and could care less about us temporary inhabitants.




So the worst disasters all happened in Asia?
Atreyu
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:24:24 AM
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The world is not going to end in 2012 UNLESS this bullsh-t theory turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Think of this: If enough people start to believe in this apocalyptic nonsense and feel there's no point in life because they are all going to die in 2012 anyway they'll become absolutely careless of everything, causing some sort of global riot, including mass suicides and ravaging of cities. And who knows, some religious fanatic might end up triggering a nuclear bomb just for the heck of it.

Would be poetic, wouldn't it? Man predicts his own demise. Man freaks out. Man causes his own demise.

Too many people are so afraid to die that they forget how to live. So stop believing in this apocalyptic bullsh-t theory or you might end up making it come true.
man in black
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:15:31 AM
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I am of the opinion that signs shouldn´t be inored and we should strive to stop poisoning or exploting the world we live in with such predatory pace. HOME, the documentary, I think that besides its marvelous narrative and conception as well as its unique photography, is well-documented and based on facts instead of theories. The predictions on the Mayan calendar might not be that accurate, but we can deny reality by turning a blind eye.
risadr
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:58:05 AM
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The recent earthquake in Haiti is hardly a sign that the world is coming to an end, much less in 2012.

If anything, I think that this earthquake, combined with the recent tsunami activity and major hurricanes, are merely signs that this planet is PISSED OFF at the human race.

Global warming is NOT bullsh*t, as some here have claimed. It is a very real, very dangerous situation that we, as humans, have created and that we are responsible to fix. I understand that there are cycles that the Earth goes through of freezing and thawing, but the most recent ice age was TOO recent for us to be coming into another one, and there's no evidence that the globe has ever been this HOT before, since its formation.

I think that people need to abandon their apocalypse theories (all they're going to do is turn into self-fulfilling prophecies) and their Judeo-Christian religions and move back to a place where we worshipped the planet that we live on for all that it has given, and continues to give to us, in spite of our grave mistreatment of it.

Maggie
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:06:10 AM
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man in black wrote:
I am of the opinion that signs shouldn´t be inored and we should strive to stop poisoning or exploting the world we live in with such predatory pace. HOME, the documentary, I think that besides its marvelous narrative and conception as well as its unique photography, is well-documented and based on facts instead of theories. The predictions on the Mayan calendar might not be that accurate, but we can deny reality by turning a blind eye.


What are the realities of the Mayan prediction? On what facts are these predictions based?
Christine
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:44:24 AM
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If you're a child born to poor parents in Haiti, chances are your career options are slave, slave, or slave. That's because approximately 225,000 children in Haiti live in situations of modern-day slavery. That's nearly a quarter million child slaves in one country.

How can other countries help Haiti when they can't help themselves? All the money,etc. going there are safe from crooks?
Cass
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:05:51 AM
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Haitians had started to slowly pull themselves out of their misery aided by the efforts of some good people who had gotten promises from companies to start up businesses there. NPR news has done a series of stories about this and it was heartening to hear. This earthquake has interrupted those efforts and now the Haitians have to start over. Maybe this is a good thing, the starting over, I mean. Maybe now those slum dwellings can be replaced with decent living quarters. Maybe now trees can be planted. It will take a long time to bring this country up to decent standards. Pat Robertson should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for saying the Haitians made a deal with the devil to free themselves from their oppressors. He obviously had not read the history.
Christine
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:39:22 AM
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Cass wrote:

Haitians had started to slowly pull themselves out of their misery aided by the efforts of some good people who had gotten promises from companies to start up businesses there. NPR news has done a series of stories about this and it was heartening to hear. This earthquake has interrupted those efforts and now the Haitians have to start over. Maybe this is a good thing, the starting over, I mean. Maybe now those slum dwellings can be replaced with decent living quarters. Maybe now trees can be planted. It will take a long time to bring this country up to decent standards. Pat Robertson should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for saying the Haitians made a deal with the devil to free themselves from their oppressors. He obviously had not read the history.


Yeah, Pat Robertson comment was not sensitive and stupid! Shame on him.
man in black
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:03:41 AM
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The Mayan predicted awesome accuracy the downfall of the empire, the same year Hernan Cortez conquered Mexico, was that a sheer coincidence?
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Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:59:12 PM
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Atreyu wrote:
The world is not going to end in 2012 UNLESS this bullsh-t theory turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Think of this: If enough people start to believe in this apocalyptic nonsense and feel there's no point in life because they are all going to die in 2012 anyway they'll become absolutely careless of everything, causing some sort of global riot, including mass suicides and ravaging of cities. And who knows, some religious fanatic might end up triggering a nuclear bomb just for the heck of it.

Would be poetic, wouldn't it? Man predicts his own demise. Man freaks out. Man causes his own demise.

Too many people are so afraid to die that they forget how to live. So stop believing in this apocalyptic bullsh-t theory or you might end up making it come true.


Hmmmm... VooDoo works the same way
guitar53
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:33:53 PM

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Maggie wrote:
The film "Home" is in many ways more propaganda like we've gotten with the whole 'Global Warming' Hoax. It does have some good points, and we should be good stewards of the land. But some of the claims are just as ridiculous as the idea that greenhouse gases are causing our climate to change.

And no, I don't think the quake in Haiti is a precursor of things to come. To paraphrase an off color adage: Quakes happen.


Global Warming Hoax... That's funny, Now you're funny too. You have (above), written the Doomsday prediction.
Christine
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:20:07 PM
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man in black wrote:
The Mayan predicted awesome accuracy the downfall of the empire, the same year Hernan Cortez conquered Mexico, was that a sheer coincidence?


yup
AnthA1G
Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:46:05 PM

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man in black wrote:
The Mayan predicted awesome accuracy the downfall of the empire, the same year Hernan Cortez conquered Mexico, was that a sheer coincidence?


I don't know. I mean, are you for real?

PS: Haiti not Haity
RuthP
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JackH wrote:
Galad wrote:
From WIKI:

10 worst NATURAL disasters on Record with estimated death tolls

1. 1931 China floods: 1,000,000–4,000,000
2. 1887 Yellow River flood, China: 900,000–2,000,000
3. 1556 Shaanxi earthquake: 830,000
4. 1970 Bhola cyclone,Bangladesh: 500,000
5. 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake/tsunami: 230,000+
6. 526 Antioch earthquake, Byzantine Empire: 250,000
7. 1976 Tangshan earthquake: 242,000
8. 1920 Haiyuan earthquake: 240,000
9. 1839 India Cyclone: 300,000
10. 1975 Banqiao Dam flood, China: 90,000–230,000


The planet itself is a living being (current estimates 4.5 BILLION years)and could care less about us temporary inhabitants.



So the worst disasters all happened in Asia?


Jack, I scrolled right by your comment this morning. I'm sorry I'm so late commenting.

The list uses loss of life as the determiner for "worst", which is a reasonable measure. There are some reasons why the numbers are so large.

Look at where within Asia these occurred:
* China and India are two of the most densely populated countries
* They also have large populations in absolute terms
* They are both located on the Pacific Ring-of-Fire (Geologically active and prone to earthquakes)
* China and India both suffer monsoons (Sudden, torrential rain, with concomitant run-off/flood problems)

Add to that some combination of:
* Poor building codes (more prevalent in the past than currently in both countries, I believe)
* Lax enforcement of codes (Still a current problem, related to the next point)
* Corruption among construction companies and/or materials suppliers (Giving rise to weak buildings)
* And, finally, a level of development and/or political/organizational systems and/or infrastructure (roads, air support) which make response more difficult.
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