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Maggie
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 1:49:42 PM
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I'm thinking about this, but am not sure. I'm a small lady, and like a lot of other small women, I'm a bit envious of those who are better endowed. But I'm concerned about the possibility that such surgery will have negative ramifications down the road. If there are any women here who have done this, I'd like your thoughts - both pro and con.
Thanks
Raparee
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:17:00 PM

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That's a helluva question to ask on a public forum, not because we're not all well acquainted with implants, but because of the wide range of reactions to them. While a lot of men love to look at fake breasts, I've yet to find too many who don't slam them into the ground, saying they prefer the real thing. This hurts drastically to those women who have had to get reconstructive surgeries, never knowing if they will be accepted for it or judged. Be prepared for it. You may consider it a personal decision and your own body, but people will speak out boldly about it. If you are married or seeing someone, ask them what their opinion is and whether or not their feelings would change. Their feelings SHOULDN'T change, but again, some people are odd about this particular surgery. Until they perfect a biomass that can be inserted in the breast that will grow your own real breast tissue, an implant will never feel like the real thing, though the better surgeons can make them look fairly close. You will want teardrop-shaped, definitely, and saline is safer than silicone-filled (if you can even get those anymore).

Just like any cosmetic surgery, you have to ask yourself WHY you want it done. If it truly is for you and you feel that having larger breasts will make you feel so much better about yourself, then go for it. (Just my honest opinion - I don't know what size you are now, but really, a C-cup is good, but anything over a D in implants is probably not - again, my personal opinion). So long as it is FOR YOU, I see no harm in it. Breast implants are also not always bra-happy, so bra shopping, as difficult and complicated as it already is, may well get moreso. There are websites about fitting bras for implants. Don't forget you'll likely have to redo your wardrobe, at least for shirts. Though that would be kinda fun. ;)

Another thing to consider is that it IS a surgery. You will be placed under anesthesia. You will have post-surgery requirements and recuperation. There will be pain. You'll have to wear a bind around your chest to help with the swelling as the body adjusts. You may lose some nerve function (please note, I said MAY, though it is a documented side effect as the nerves often get crushed and nerves are tender things). You WILL have some scarring somewhere, depending on how the implants are inserted and whether or not they are under or above the muscle. Some women cannot have implants under the muscle due to their personal anatomy.

Go doctor shopping (in the good way). Make appointments with several surgeons. If ANY of the doctors hurts you during exam, don't go back. An exam for breast implants should be no different than any other medical visit. It shouldn't hurt and you shouldn't feel like a piece of meat. If the doctor doesn't agree with what you envision, find another, but do ask why he recommends something else. Remember to try to stay proportionate and a good doctor will try and do that, to make you look as natural as possible. And definitely, if you get towards the surgery date and he decides he wants to do something totally different, get OUT. Find someone else. Make sure to look at and request credentials. Offices should have before/after pictures. Ask the receptionists if there are any clients they feel would be willing to talk about their experience. Trust me, if there are happy clients, they will want to talk to someone. :)

I see nothing wrong with body mods if it will make you feel more like yourself and who you envision yourself to be. If it makes you happy, go for it! :D
Mr. Montag
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:40:49 PM
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This thread seems to fit the bill. I will be contacting the moderators....
Mr. Montag
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:44:42 PM
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Shame on you For those who think otherwise-no one forced me to read this thread you'll say-that's not the point. I came here for discussion on appropriate discussion. While Christine may be perfectly nice as a person, I could have gone without knowing the size of her chest. Yes, most here are adults, and yes, it's still inappropriate. TOS violations abound....
Raparee
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:46:46 PM

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Mr. Montag wrote:
No Offensive Language/Flaming
The use of inappropriate or offensive language is not permitted on our site. Inappropriate or offensive language includes, but is not limited to, any language or content that is vulgar, obscene, abusive, defamatory, harassing, hateful, profane, slanderous, lewd, pornographic, sexually suggestive, violent, or contains racially, ethnically, or otherwise objectionable content..

This thread seems to fit the bill. I will be contacting the moderators....

On the contrary, none of those adjectives describe this post, but feel free to try and censor the world.

She asked a question with good intentions and asked for honest answers. In no way did she do anything lewd or pornographic, vulgar or obscene. If you find it objectionable, why did you bother reading the thread? The title of the thread clearly defines the contents.
Mr. Montag
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Brick wall Apparently, Raparee, you need some remedial comprehension courses. I clearly explained why my views were relavent, even if I wasn't forced to read this thread. Please re-read my post for your answers. It may be an honest question, but it is also an inappropriate topic, IMHO, for these forums. I'm not trying to censor anyone. I don't care if these topics are discussed, just not HERE. Get it? Brick wall
ninestraycats
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:59:26 PM
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Christine told us the size of her boobs?

@ OP: this is 100% an issue you and you alone must consider (if you're single). Most men will probably be split down the middle. I thoroughly dislike giant fake boobs like you see in porn, they look ridiculous. But then again, I worship boobs like most straight dudes, so I'm sure I'm biased. Entirely up to you...

edit: @ the Mister: "objectionable" is objectionable. Breast augmentation does not seem at all a lewd subject.
Geeman
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:00:02 PM

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This topic strikes me as perfectly appropriate for a forum on knowledge and culture. Please let's not let anyone's particular foibles interfere with the conversation other people might want to participate in. When a topic is as clearly labelled as this one is, it shouldn't be a problem for those who know what they do and don't want to talk about to simply ignore the thread....

So, with that said, I can only say that from my personal male POV that I don't even want to look at a breast with a big bag of saline inserted into it, let alone touch the thing. I don't find surgery sexy. It's just not. And unless there's a talented surgeon (and even with one) wielding the scalpal the scars left can be awfully unsightly.

Of course there are women who've had various medical problems and want reconstructive surgery. I wouldn't look down on anyone who had that kind of concern.

Now, I'm already a judgemental jerk in the "tattoo" thread, so I might as well go with a variation of the opinions I expressed in that thread, because the logic is pretty similar. A need to get attention through plastic inserted into the body bears a certain resemblance to wanting to get attention through some other body modification, which goes to a person's character. It's not really a huge deal (unless they actually are a huge deal, I guess.) However, unlike tattoos, for the sake of fairness one I think the rating of breast implants would have to be multiplied by two....

Larger breasts do certainly get women more attention, but you have to ask yourself if it is the kind of attention you want. I've noticed that the guys who seem to be attracted to size tend to be mooks. So, if you have a lack of idiots in your life then surgery might be the answer, just like if you have a lack of seagulls in your life you could staple a fish to your head.
Raparee
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:03:03 PM

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Mr. Montag wrote:
Brick wall Apparently, Raparee, you need some remedial comprehension courses. I clearly explained why my views were relavent, even if I wasn't forced to read this thread. Please re-read my post for your answers. It may be an honest question, but it is also an inappropriate topic, IMHO, for these forums. I'm not trying to censor anyone. I don't care if these topics are discussed, just not HERE. Get it? Brick wall


My reading comprehension is just fine. By all means, take it up with the mods. I am merely saying that I found NOTHING at all in the original post that would be objectionable by mod standards. What I do find objectionable is your need to play censor and in your efforts, perhaps make the poster feel guilty about her body. THAT is what is obscene. There is enough in the world already that makes women shameful of how they look.

Her post itself was quite nicely put together and stated and far from anything lewd or lacivious.
ninestraycats
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:03:34 PM
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geeman made a good point, you'll find most dudes split down the middle on the looks and feel of fake breasts but the scars are hideous. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who likes them... but, I should say, it may be the case that with a decent surgeon there won't be any. Make sure you research the different kinds of implants, etc.
Mr. Montag
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:05:50 PM
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@Geeman: I lnow you're well liked here. I don't particularly care. This topic of "what you like" is clearly, by basic definiton, a TOS violation.
It isn't me being prudish, or having particular "foibles" it's simply trying to keep TFD forums enjoyable for ALL. Get a clue, or get something, but DO NOT lecture me. Speak to the hand

@Geeman: If "what you like" isn't "sexually suggestive" in reference to a woman's chest, you don't speak English. You cannot defend this on definiton, but let's not let facts get in the way because everyone's "cool with it" right? Please..LOL.
ninestraycats
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:07:21 PM
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I have an idea, Mr.: you've made your thoughts perfectly clear. Contact the mods and await what happens. In the mean-time, think you could stop posting in this thread and let the rest of us have our discussion free of interruption?
Mr. Montag
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@ninestraycats: Gladly. Done.
Raparee
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:09:18 PM

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Geeman wrote:
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So, with that said, I can only say that from my personal male POV that I don't even want to look at a breast with a big bag of saline inserted into it, let alone touch the thing. I don't find surgery sexy. It's just not. And unless there's a talented surgeon (and even with one) wielding the scalpal the scars left can be awfully unsightly.

Of course there are women who've had various medical problems and want reconstructive surgery. I wouldn't look down on anyone who had that kind of concern.

Geeman, I am curious...how would you react to a woman who had reconstructive surgery then? Seriously. The horror stories I've heard and known of women whose husbands left them after post-cancer reconstructive surgery astounds me. What do these women do? They would be shunned for not having it yet are shunned for having it? Even strong women have trouble with this. Breasts are on display all the time - we generally can't hide them. If a man loses a testicle, rarely will anyone know, but women do not have that luxury.

Personally, I feel if you get that close to know, male or female, you should feel pretty special to be THAT close Dancing and judgments at that stage are heinous. Shame on you
Raparee
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:12:17 PM

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ninestraycats wrote:
geeman made a good point, you'll find most dudes split down the middle on the looks and feel of fake breasts but the scars are hideous. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who likes them... but, I should say, it may be the case that with a decent surgeon there won't be any. Make sure you research the different kinds of implants, etc.

Are breast scars worse than other scars or is it because they're on the breast that they appear worse? We all have scars. I've always considered them part of the person and a tale of their life.

(I'm trying very hard not to sound argumentative here, but I've gotten in a real tizzy over this. So please, these are honest questions without any anger behind them. Promise. :) This is a subject that I've had to deal with in one way or another.)
ninestraycats
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:16:46 PM
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Raparee wrote:
Are breast scars worse than other scars or is it because they're on the breast that they appear worse? We all have scars. I've always considered them part of the person and a tale of their life.

(I'm trying very hard not to sound argumentative here, but I've gotten in a real tizzy over this. So please, these are honest questions without any anger behind them. Promise. :) This is a subject that I've had to deal with in one way or another.)


I actually think scars are seriously bad-ass. The problem I have with breast implant scars is that they look like big gashes. Keep in mind my experience is limited to, well, online videos, shall we say.
Geeman
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:17:34 PM

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Mr. Montag wrote:
@Geeman: I lnow you're well liked here. I don't particularly care. This topic of "what you like" is clearly, by basic definiton, a TOS violation.
It isn't me being prudish, or having particular "foibles" it's simply trying to keep TFD forums enjoyable for ALL. Get a clue, or get something, but DO NOT lecture me. Speak to the hand

@Geeman: If "what you like" isn't "sexually suggestive" in reference to a woman's chest, you don't speak English. You cannot defend this on definiton, but let's not let facts get in the way because everyone's "cool with it" right? Please..LOL.

Well, you do appear to need to hear the lecture....

But rather than write a few dozen words that might get called "a lecture" I'll simply note that everyone reading this is two, maybe three mouse clicks away from actually seeing examples of what we're talking about--let alone things far more obviously a problem. Let's please not be so over-zealous in our desire to not offend people as to disconnect from the simple reality that this topic is incredibly mild.... I've had this conversation with teenagers, and even pre-pubescent kids who can't help but notice "the lady" at the next table in the restaurant.

At this point, breast implants are actually part of the culture. Since that's one of the words right in the title of the forum, I have to think that outweighs the potential of offending people who might want to parse what "sexually suggestive" means to the point that anyone can use that term to halt a conversation.
Raparee
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:31:21 PM

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ninestraycats wrote:
Raparee wrote:
Are breast scars worse than other scars or is it because they're on the breast that they appear worse? We all have scars. I've always considered them part of the person and a tale of their life.

(I'm trying very hard not to sound argumentative here, but I've gotten in a real tizzy over this. So please, these are honest questions without any anger behind them. Promise. :) This is a subject that I've had to deal with in one way or another.)

I actually think scars are seriously bad-ass. The problem I have with breast implant scars is that they look like big gashes. Keep in mind my experience is limited to, well, online videos, shall we say.

:D I've always thought scars gave something interesting to people, myself, so that is a relief! Thank you. That and I've seen surgical scars on quite a few people so it never even fazed me. Surgery happens and scars happen, so I was confused why breast scars were worse. And trust me, like all scars, even breast scars will fade unless there has been a botch (and other surgeries botch) or there has been a bad reaction to the implant itself (which happens with any and all implants in the body, whether for cosmetic reasons or medical necessity). The scars you have noted are probably immediately post-op. And no scar immediately post-op looks good. In fact, my coworker just got some serious back surgery done and her scars are fairly nifty looking.

I just find it shallow that if someone was falling for a woman and felt strongly, then reached a point where they knew there were implants, that they would turn away. Is it THAT much of a problem? I mean, I know it happens and that it does happen saddens me, but also, I just don't understand it.
Isaac Samuel
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:46:55 PM
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Raparee:
We have a daughter who underwent this surgery fifteen years ago and still married happily. I think and I am sure,
she knows now, it is not sag-proof.
your advise in third or second person to the wannabes is excellent until you arrived at the last two paragraphs, where
it turned boilerplate.
Do you know, how it is to get references from physicians and their staff? and that they take shelter under patient-doctor privileges and privacy acts of law to protect themselves?

Mr.Montag:
Although, I commend your ability to recite these adjectives you practiced to day, I wonder if you have any empathy at all for
this woman, who honestly solicited for opinions in this forum, hoping it might give her some credible testimonies?

it is appalling that you drag Mark Twain's name in vain in your signature. I will make sure the administrators know: you
are a bully and a bull in a China Shop.
Raparee
Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:01:07 PM

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Isaac Samuel wrote:
Raparee:
We have a daughter who underwent this surgery fifteen years ago and still married happily. I think and I am sure, she knows now, it is not sag-proof.

your advise in third or second person to the wannabes is excellent until you arrived at the last two paragraphs, where it turned boilerplate.

Do you know, how it is to get references from physicians and their staff? and that they take shelter under patient-doctor privileges and privacy acts of law to protect themselves?

Isaac, I am glad to hear to good experiences and am glad your daughter's surgery went well and is still going well (and no, I'd not expect it to be sag proof!) :) There are more problems with reconstuctive surgeries where one breast receives an implant but the other does not. The sagging then is most definitely not equal and more than likely, a lift will have to be performed later on in life, though the better surgeons will try to match both breasts as evenly as possible to delay that need.

Perhaps it is boilerplate, but you CAN at least ask. Even if you can't get credentials, most plastic surgeons will gladly post their schools and cite their lettering on their websites and brochures. All you have to do is make sure these are real and that's a good start.

If you ask the receptionists and doctors themselves how many surgeries they've done and whatnot, they know you're actively looking and then if they look at you with renewed respect, you'll know you're in a good office. If you can't get anything from them, try talking to other ladies in the office. Trust me, women who are happy with their surgeries are generally happy to talk to other women in similar situations. And on the flip side, if they're NOT happy with it, you'll be sure to hear it (though I'm sure those clients are escorted elsewhere). You absolutely HAVE to feel comfortable with your surgeon on this. If you're not, you have to keep looking.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:48:42 PM
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As I have expressed in other threads, I personally have no interest in body altering techniques (piercing, tattoos, plastic surgery, and anything else that I can't think of). My girlfriend used to watch a TV series about plastic surgery, particularly about breast implants, I forget what it was called. In that series, every woman that I saw who got breast implants looked perfectly fine before hand. I honestly don't know why so many women feel the need to augment their body in such a way when the majority of them are pretty from the start.

As for reconstructive surgery, my girlfriend has bunions (or rather, had), and got one of them removed around 4 years ago. It was a relatively serious surgery, where they had to cut the bone that led to her big toe (sorry, I forget its name) and reposition it and shortened one of the felanges. While no complications happened in the surgery, it was not entirely successful. She's lost about 80% of her range of motion with that big toe, and there is a huge scar running all the way from her to to her ankle on the top of her foot. The scar doesn't bother me at all (rarely do scars bother me), but she is self conscious about it. We are both upset that she can no longer bend her toe (particularly backwards, like if you were standing on your tippy toes), which prevents her from practicing most kicks in Tae Kwon Do (which she is a black belt in), and it has further limited her ability to run and do other activities involving her feet. The most frustrating part is that the surgery was supposed to allow her to do all these things better than she had been before, and without pain. So I agree, make sure you are confident in your surgeon's ability before you have any surgery performed.

Anyway, while I prefer women (and men, for that matter) who are completely natural, I won't ostracize one simply because she has had her body altered. It is 100% their choice to do what they want with their body, and as a friend, you should support them in their choice (except in obvious extreme examples, like cutting). And if you are in a relationship with someone who is going through an appearance altering surgery, it's important to support them in their choice as they may be extra self-conscious for some time. I make it a point to tell my girlfriend how much I like her feet (they are quite cute, even with the scar), and while it used to embarrass her, she seems to be getting to the point in accepting that her feet are simply awesome and there's nothing she can do about it.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:51:41 PM
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Mr M

Since the beginning of January there have been over fifty subjects discussed here on Knowledge and Culture many extremely interesting and some quite controversial but you have chosen the last two to pass unwanted and unnecessary comments. It is your right to report back to the administractors as it is our right to ignore your posts, I shall certainly do so in the future.


Going back to the original post, I totally agree with Raparee here. I know of a number of friends who have had breast implants and all have been quite satisfied with the results. Just one comment don't go too large, perhaps a size up would be acceptable and more in keeping with your small frame.
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[quote=Yorker]Mr M

Since the beginning of January there have been over fifty subjects discussed here on Knowledge and Culture many extremely interesting and some quite controversial but you have chosen the last two to pass unwanted and unnecessary comments. It is your right to report back to the administractors as it is our right to ignore your posts, I shall certainly do so in the future.


@Yorker: I simply challenged people on the appropriateness of the topic, tersely so to those who questioned my right to, or correctness in doing so.
That being said, if you are going to criticize someone at least check your post for basic comprehension. I have participated in Knowledge and Culture,
and will continue to do so. I was simply challenging the appropriateness of two recent threads, as you point out. If you would ignore my posts based soley
on my opinion that violations of the site rules are occuring, by all means do so. You won't find me disappointed over the matter. Boo hoo!
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Raparee wrote:

Geeman, I am curious...how would you react to a woman who had reconstructive surgery then? Seriously. The horror stories I've heard and known of women whose husbands left them after post-cancer reconstructive surgery astounds me. What do these women do? They would be shunned for not having it yet are shunned for having it? Even strong women have trouble with this. Breasts are on display all the time - we generally can't hide them. If a man loses a testicle, rarely will anyone know, but women do not have that luxury.

Personally, I feel if you get that close to know, male or female, you should feel pretty special to be THAT close Dancing and judgments at that stage are heinous. Shame on you

I didn't really get into this in my earlier post. I only glossed over the "there are women who've had various medical problems and want reconstructive surgery. I wouldn't look down on anyone who had that kind of concern."

I used to work out regularly with a gal who had had a mastectomy. Nice lady. The surgery was fairly recent, and I'm pretty ignorant about how that kind of stuff works, but apparently the treatment they give you for that sort of cancer screws up your immune system and they don't want you to go having elective surgery for a while due to the risks of infection or complication. Or, at least, at that time, that was the case. Before we'd work out she'd stuff her sports bra to keep things "balanced" as it were. I could always tell it bothered her to do that, even though we were close enough that it didn't bother me at all. For her it was simply a way of avoiding undue attention when it comes to the average person on the street. So, interestingly enough, getting reconstructive surgery for someone in that kind of situation is about NOT attracting attention. That might be about being shy, but it could just as well be a statement by the person that she doesn't want her identity to be defined by a particular illness. She wants to move on. Etc. That makes perfect sense to me, and though I still think a few thousand bucks is expensive for salty water and a couple ounces of plastic, I could see someone having that kind of surgery for good reasons--or ones that are more or less neutral.

I'd be a little more dubious about someone who had breast cancer and decided to go DD after that....

I knew another girl who had breast reduction surgery, which is at first glance the kind of thing that makes a lot of people go, "She did what?" In her case, though, she was a professional dancer (the ballet sort, not the hoochie-koochie kind...) and she developed so much that it seriously hurt her back, not to mention the fact that she'd finish a pirouette half a beat behind the rest of the dancers.... (I can't take credit for that line--it was hers.) No amount of free massages from me were enough to dissuade her from going down a cup size or three, more's the pity. I can understand someone doing that kind of thing.

I live in a part of the country where breast surgeries are pretty common, so I've seen a LOT of them. Enough that the reality of plastic breasts has lost all appeal. I knew one gal who had had eleven elective surgeries on her breasts. ELEVEN! And she wanted more! This was a long time ago, and at that point I didn't know there even were that many possible surgeries. I figured it was one--two. That was it. To be fair, she did fill out a cocktail dress pretty well. But once you got to know her you couldn't help but wish they'd inserted one of those implants into her vapid, narcissitic brainpan. It would have been a much better improvement than putting them into her chest.
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It's your body and I guess you are free to do with it as you want.
Personally (as a man) I feel enlargments always look strange and sometimes just bizzare. I dont like them. Please seek as many opinions as you can and be absolutely sure.
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Geeman wrote:
I didn't really get into this in my earlier post. I only glossed over the "there are women who've had various medical problems and want reconstructive surgery. I wouldn't look down on anyone who had that kind of concern."

I used to work out regularly with a gal who had had a mastectomy. Nice lady. The surgery was fairly recent, and I'm pretty ignorant about how that kind of stuff works, but apparently the treatment they give you for that sort of cancer screws up your immune system and they don't want you to go having elective surgery for a while due to the risks of infection or complication. Or, at least, at that time, that was the case. Before we'd work out she'd stuff her sports bra to keep things "balanced" as it were. I could always tell it bothered her to do that, even though we were close enough that it didn't bother me at all. For her it was simply a way of avoiding undue attention when it comes to the average person on the street. So, interestingly enough, getting reconstructive surgery for someone in that kind of situation is about NOT attracting attention. That might be about being shy, but it could just as well be a statement by the person that she doesn't want her identity to be defined by a particular illness. She wants to move on. Etc. That makes perfect sense to me, and though I still think a few thousand bucks is expensive for salty water and a couple ounces of plastic, I could see someone having that kind of surgery for good reasons--or ones that are more or less neutral.

I'd be a little more dubious about someone who had breast cancer and decided to go DD after that....

I knew another girl who had breast reduction surgery, which is at first glance the kind of thing that makes a lot of people go, "She did what?" In her case, though, she was a professional dancer (the ballet sort, not the hoochie-koochie kind...) and she developed so much that it seriously hurt her back, not to mention the fact that she'd finish a pirouette half a beat behind the rest of the dancers.... (I can't take credit for that line--it was hers.) No amount of free massages from me were enough to dissuade her from going down a cup size or three, more's the pity. I can understand someone doing that kind of thing.

I live in a part of the country where breast surgeries are pretty common, so I've seen a LOT of them. Enough that the reality of plastic breasts has lost all appeal. I knew one gal who had had eleven elective surgeries on her breasts. ELEVEN! And she wanted more! This was a long time ago, and at that point I didn't know there even were that many possible surgeries. I figured it was one--two. That was it. To be fair, she did fill out a cocktail dress pretty well. But once you got to know her you couldn't help but wish they'd inserted one of those implants into her vapid, narcissitic brainpan. It would have been a much better improvement than putting them into her chest.

Geeman, that was a pretty awesome response. Applause I'm glad to know that even if you don't generally approve of breast surgery, you understand the reasoning behind reconstructive surgery and how your friend felt trying to avoid the looks. That is very observant. Reconstructive is definitely a case of trying to look more normal. It's nice to know that even among the naysayers, that is acceptable. There are some things in life that cannot be helped and while I find "being normal" highly overrated, there are times that it is greatly desired. (Though a DD after cancer could be acceptable if it was a one-sided mastectomy or you were a DD before...though I think most women downsize at that point anyway.)

Personally, I always wanted my mom to have reduction surgery as she had back problems anyway and she was huge (plus four breastfed babies), so I feel for your dancer friend. I've read that a lot of dancers get this surgery to keep themselves balanced a certain way, as being top heavy does throw them off. While I am not huge, nor a dancer, I do find yoga positions to be occasionally tricky as I can only bend myself so far before they get in the way. ;)

Also, eleven is scary. I hate to think of how much of her breasts are scar tissue. The human body is simply not designed for that. Sadly, people do get addicted and mostly because they are deeply unhappy with themselves on another level entirely.
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Geeman, you bring up a point I forgot to mention. My girlfriend has mentioned to me on more than a few occasions that her friends were actually jealous of her "small" chest. Honestly, I can't blame them. As you stated, having to support that kind of weight in front of you can put a lot of strain on your back, and I have heard they can hurt when doing vigorous exercise like running (or in particular, jogging, which has the highest amount of bounce involved), professional dance, martial arts, etc.

In my own limited experiences, breasts are a pain in the butt. No, I never had any real ones, but my friends convinced me it was a good idea to dress up like a girl for one Halloween in middle school. My mom and sister jumped at the idea and prettied me all up, got a nice wig, found some suitable "implants," and off I went, having every house ask me what I was supposed to be for Halloween. I have to say, the fake breasts were a real nuisance, even the sports bra was uncomfortable. I don't even know how women even deal with them, it's not like you can take them off or anything (well, outside of surgery, anyway). Anyway, my hat goes off to all of you that put up with them on a daily basis. If you want to make them bigger, by all means, go ahead, but if I were stuck with them I'd probably go for smaller just for convenience's sake.
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nooblet wrote:
Geeman, you bring up a point I forgot to mention. My girlfriend has mentioned to me on more than a few occasions that her friends were actually jealous of her "small" chest. Honestly, I can't blame them. As you stated, having to support that kind of weight in front of you can put a lot of strain on your back, and I have heard they can hurt when doing vigorous exercise like running (or in particular, jogging, which has the highest amount of bounce involved), professional dance, martial arts, etc.

Two things guaranteed to make you bust out laughing and wince in pain without serious body armor: jumping jacks and jumping rope. *snickers*

I cannot do either without doubling up on bras (one sports and one regular) and I don't consider myself huge by any means. You'll find at least one thread per women's forum dedicated to the best sports bras for larger chests. Unfortunately, their sizing is often waaaaaay off and they cost a small fortune, so doubling up is better. It is definitely something women wanting implants don't often think about.

In fact, sleeping will change. My older sister was very small chested and when she got pregnant, she went up a cup size. She kept complaining about pinching herself when she was trying to sleep. My younger sister and I were merely amused.
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Are breast scars worse than other scars or is it because they're on the breast that they appear worse? We all have scars. I've always considered them part of the person and a tale of their life.

(I'm trying very hard not to sound argumentative here, but I've gotten in a real tizzy over this. So please, these are honest questions without any anger behind them. Promise. :) This is a subject that I've had to deal with in one way or another.)

People are a bit touchy on this subject, but I'd like to answer your question, so if anyone is already offended, I'm going to say right off: more potentially offensive stuff is coming!

First off, I'm no expert on any of this stuff. I can only tell you what I know from what I've seen and what people have told me. So, with that said, there are a few ways they do breast implants. Probably the "best" (and I believe the most expensive) involves cutting into the torso under the arm and then working the implant under the muscle tissue where it is inflated. That leaves a scar under the arm, of course, but nothing directly on the breast itself. It also feels the most natural because there's more of a layer of flesh (skin, fat, muscle) between the plastic and the... person doing the feeling.

Another way of doing a breast augmentation is to go in through the nipple. That usually means a semi-circular cut around the areola. Now, if the idea of someone taking a blade to a nipple doesn't make you cringe, the other problem is that this sometimes leaves a sort of crescent shaped scar around the areola. Sometimes when they are reconstructing the breast more than just putting in an implant, they take the whole nipple off and then sew it back to center it on the breast where it is "supposed" to go. That usually leaves a pretty obvious scar around the whole nipple.

Another way is for them to cut beneath the breast and insert the bag up from underneath. This is apparently a relatively inexpensive way to go, and doesn't do anything freaky to the nipples, but often there's a scar there and because the breast doesn't actually hang anymore (that does seem to be the goal) it doesn't really look like a crease in the skin so much as... well, a scar.

Personally, though, the scars aren't really what bothers me. It's the big bag of saline under the skin that creeps me out. I mean, it's just a piece of plastic. Often when a woman reclines or leans forward, the bag slips directly against her skin and there's something that looks like a water balloon more or less stuck into her flesh. I have to consider that a kind of scar. After all, if I had open heart surgery and the doctor left an instrument in my chest, I'd consider the sight of that thing outlined in my skin rather unpleasant to look at.

Plus, they don't move like breasts anymore. They move like bags of plastic. Watching a woman dance who has breast implants is like watching someone with their fists clenched on their chest maneuver around, pointing them at various people in succession the way you might operate a backhoe.... Not appealing.

But, hey, I think I'm on the losing side of this issue. I read an issue of Playboy a few months back that said something about the "natural breast fetish." Natural breasts are a fetish now? Well, maybe in Hefner's world...
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Wow... Natural breasts are a fetish... That is scary to me that some people think that way.

And the procedures you listed are ones I've seen on television with my girlfriend. I hate watching surgeries, totally make me cringe. But she, being a vet student and having worked in emergency medicine for years, loves watching all the procedures. *shudder*
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Geeman, you "read" Playboy?
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Haha, all the guys who have subscriptions read it for the articles. You would think that's a lie, but I've seen some pretty hilarious articles get passed around via email from some of my friends from back in high school. I, however, don't have a subscription (or plan on getting one). I am content with the second hand articles that get emailed to me, I probably get filtered only the funnier ones.
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nooblet wrote:
Haha, all the guys who have subscriptions read it for the articles. You would think that's a lie, but I've seen some pretty hilarious articles get passed around via email from some of my friends from back in high school. I, however, don't have a subscription (or plan on getting one). I am content with the second hand articles that get emailed to me, I probably get filtered only the funnier ones.

My mom used to steal my dad's mags and use some of the nicer pictures as nude studies for her art. I will admit, the jokes were hysterical and some of the articles were actually really good reads.

Okay, the nekkid chicks didn't do much for me besides make me realize I would NEVER look like that. Then I decided I'd rather look like one of Frank Frazetta's warrior women. Still working on that one. ;)
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Raparee wrote:
nooblet wrote:
Haha, all the guys who have subscriptions read it for the articles. You would think that's a lie, but I've seen some pretty hilarious articles get passed around via email from some of my friends from back in high school. I, however, don't have a subscription (or plan on getting one). I am content with the second hand articles that get emailed to me, I probably get filtered only the funnier ones.

My mom used to steal my dad's mags and use some of the nicer pictures as nude studies for her art. I will admit, the jokes were hysterical and some of the articles were actually really good reads.

Okay, the nekkid chicks didn't do much for me besides make me realize I would NEVER look like that. Then I decided I'd rather look like one of Frank Frazetta's warrior women. Still working on that one. ;)


You have very good taste. They are way hot (forgive the poor grammar).
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Christine wrote:
Geeman, you "read" Playboy?

It was in the mechanic's waiting room when I got a tire change. I swear.

Honestly, I don't like the pictures in Playboy. Aside from the relentless airbrushing of the pictures themselves, they slather so much makeup on the girls that I suspect they must use a putty knife. It reminds me of little girls playing "dress up" with Mommy's lipstick (you know, with red smeared above and below their lips just short of that clown makeup) and the idea that they are there for me to objectify and slobber over then creeps me out because it seems like pedophilia....

I understand the "fantasy" element of such publications, but in real life I prefer women who look natural, confident, loyal and a little depraved. Bonnie Parker. If it weren't for the psychotic murderer part, she'd be the hottest woman ever.
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