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Daemon
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When sorrows come, they come not single spies, But in battalions!

William Shakespeare (1564-1616)
Joseph Glantz
Posted: Thursday, December 24, 2009 7:19:05 AM
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So - nothing like a pick me up quote during the holidays.
ardii
Posted: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:07:29 AM
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Joseph Glantz wrote:
So - nothing like a pick me up quote during the holidays.


Perhaps to temper the excess of happiness of the season?

I suspect Daemon uses a piece of software that randomly picks a sentence from a list of books and ignores the seasons.
pedro
Posted: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:25:59 AM
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Does anyone have any idea as to why Hamlet in particular gave rise to so many lasting quotes?
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Daemon wrote:
<script>add2all('quote')</script><img align=left width="100" height="127" src="http://img.tfd.com/IOD/shakespeare.jpg">When sorrows come, they come not single spies, But in battalions!<br><br><a href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Shakespeare,+William">William Shakespeare</a> (1564-1616)


ain't that the truth, its like they say, bad things come in threes
DHeavyOne
Posted: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:52:18 PM
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So - nothing like a pick me up quote during the holidays.

I believe you are missing the empowerment intended in the quote, today.

Shakespeare is observing that sorrows tend to be experienced at the same time as other sorrow, or during a period which, in retrospect, seems to be inclusive of other sorrows. I believe this is due to the fact that a person's perception of their immediate environment is directly influenced by their timely emotional state, hence the saying "....misery loves company...", or my favourite descriptive of the mean "...people most often see what they are looking for...".

One legitimate sorrowful experience can create a mind-state which precipitates the recognition of other occurences as being similarly sorrowful. If objectified by the observer, these later occurences would not likely be identified with in the same way, as evidenced by the usual remembrance of only the first genuinely sorrowful occurence.

Shakespeare's quote simply relies on the advanced mind to interpret his meanings and to properly enjoy his writings, whereas the average mind of the mean will be entertained by his stories and provide him with the readership to facilitate many more writings.

....but then again, I'm only guessing.

PS: NinjaMonkey.......GREAT NAME, DUDE!
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pedro wrote:
Does anyone have any idea as to why Hamlet in particular gave rise to so many lasting quotes?

At a guess, maybe it's because Hamlet is the most easily relatable character in Shakespeare's work. He's still a rarified royal "hero" but we can all relate to the parent issues, the nature of ambition, jealousy, betrayel and being pushed to the edge of sanity by circumstance. Othello, on the other hand, is much more cold-blooded. We don't associate ourselves with that kind of mindset as easily. For the same reason, it's difficult to relate to MacBeth (though he's my favorite...) because we don't feel the same connection to a guy whose wife badgers him into killing his boss. (Hm. That might actually explain a few things....)
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"Hamlet" is like "Faust" by the German poet Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, it is made up entirely of quotations, haha.

Seriously: This quote is spoken by Claudius, who by murdering Hamlet's father started the whole story and the series of sorrows he describes in this speech.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/407600.html

(Act IV, scene 5)
Hupomone
Posted: Saturday, January 2, 2010 11:08:02 AM
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DHeavyOne, your input makes sense. Willie, however, is way too poetic to be practical [for me]. Though I recognize his talent, I've never really felt like pursuing the cerebral calesthentics. Never will, either.

I think emotions do slant perspective(s), and that "truth" - at the moment - is enslaved more to feeling than fact. It is often through the ministration of time and distanced ponderings that objective reason prevails. Sometimes what we think is what we wind up with, and sometimes not.

Poets who require three paragraphs to explain one line make me feel dumb. I hate that feeling, so Shakespeare is something I will never grow into...He's too much bother for a fluff like me.
DHeavyOne
Posted: Saturday, January 2, 2010 12:53:44 PM
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Hupomone wrote:
DHeavyOne, your input makes sense. Willie, however, is way too poetic to be practical [for me]. Though I recognize his talent, I've never really felt like pursuing the cerebral.......so Shakespeare is something I will never grow into...He's too much bother for a fluff like me.


A 'fluff', eh? Nice............

Give him a go.......he's also very entertaining to just READ......hence the use of him in high schools! If ever he shows up on a university abstract, then RUN from that place, and don't hire anyone who graduated there!

His writings are mostly archetypal and very easy.....even for a fluff, Dude!

....but then again, I'm just guessing

Happy New Year, everyone!
Hupomone
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Angel Thanks, Heavy...maybe someday. I went to Stratford a while back and tried to acquire the taste. It didn't take, but I'm still a little open...

In the meantime, here's something more my speed. It's about food, because I'm eating food right now.

Chili

Who likes chili?

“I like chili!” Bobby says happily.
Programmer Paul agrees, “Chili is a logical meal choice.”
Nurse Nancy says, “I doctor-up my chili with chili powder.”
Banker Bob says, “I have some interest in chili.”
Accountant Al says, “I reconcile my hunger with chili.”
Fireman Fred says, “I like three-alarm chili. That’s real hot.”
Policeman Pete says, “Chili goes good with doughnuts.”
Old Man Oscar says, “I brake for chili, all the time.”
But Candy Cow says, “I don’t like chili.”

“You don’t like chili?”

“No,” Mary Moo explains. “Candy and I, we eat hay.”
“That’s because you’re cows,” Farmer Frank laughs.
“But do you know what people eat?”

“Chili!!!”
Jeanie
Posted: Saturday, January 2, 2010 5:43:00 PM
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Well, I like chili!

And I think sorrow comes in many ways. Small disappointments throughout the day and huge blindsiding catastrophes that strike us suddenly. I find comfort, though, that Shakespeare recognized sorrow as it is, named it, and we hundreds of years later can still relate.

susanstar1234
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True, and happiness is when I say my hail Mary's...

So, do you think that maybe this thing about sorrows and how they "Bail" others is an added inverse?Speak to the hand
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