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Daemon
Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:00:00 AM
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One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.

Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)
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Does anybody know where this quotation come from?
Ismat
Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 3:23:00 AM
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one who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived....read understand Machiavelli's theory and be careful....
mangezi
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And one such man, ever ready to bedeceived, who later became my habitual victim, was my physics teacher.
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Daemon wrote:
One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.

Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)



The Prince (his most popular work), chapter XVIII
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Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 8:01:54 AM

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Simple and true.
Absurdicuss
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Sounds like the M.O. of cult leaders worldwide.
GranolaGaye
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Obama and the American voter
2015Febechukwu E105
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I read this series : The immortal Nicholas Flamel. Machiavelli was an immortal evil magician in the book. It was good Applause
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Not only allowing themselves to be deceived, but wishing to be deceived.
capitán
Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:12:16 AM

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Daemon wrote:
One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.

Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)


Pretty much what happens with religion...
One who preaches will always find those who allow themselves to be evangelized.
Christine
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philanderos wrote:
Does anybody know where this quotation come from?


http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince18.htm


The Prince
by Nicolo Machiavelli
CHAPTER XVIII
Concerning The Way In Which Princes Should Keep Faith

EVERY one admits how praiseworthy it is in a prince to keep faith, and to live with integrity and not with craft. Nevertheless our experience has been that those princes who have done great things have held good faith of little account, and have known how to circumvent the intellect of men by craft, and in the end have overcome those who have relied on their word. You must know there are two ways of contesting, the one by the law, the other by force; the first method is proper to men, the second to beasts; but because the first is frequently not sufficient, it is necessary to have recourse to the second. Therefore it is necessary for a prince to understand how to avail himself of the beast and the man. This has been figuratively taught to princes by ancient writers, who describe how Achilles and many other princes of old were given to the Centaur Chiron to nurse, who brought them up in his discipline; which means solely that, as they had for a teacher one who was half beast and half man, so it is necessary for a prince to know how to make use of both natures, and that one without the other is not durable. A prince, therefore, being compelled knowingly to adopt the beast, ought to choose the fox and the lion; because the lion cannot defend himself against snares and the fox cannot defend himself against wolves. Therefore, it is necessary to be a fox to discover the snares and a lion to terrify the wolves. Those who rely simply on the lion do not understand what they are about. Therefore a wise lord cannot, nor ought he to, keep faith when such observance may be turned against him, and when the reasons that caused him to pledge it exist no longer. If men were entirely good this precept would not hold, but because they are bad, and will not keep faith with you, you too are not bound to observe it with them. Nor will there ever be wanting to a prince legitimate reasons to excuse this nonobservance. Of this endless modern examples could be given, showing how many treaties and engagements have been made void and of no effect through the faithlessness of princes; and he who has known best how to employ the fox has succeeded best.

But it is necessary to know well how to disguise this characteristic, and to be a great pretender and dissembler; and men are so simple, and so subject to present necessities, that he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived. One recent example I cannot pass over in silence. Alexander VI did nothing else but deceive men, nor ever thought of doing otherwise, and he always found victims; for there never was a man who had greater power in asserting, or who with greater oaths would affirm a thing, yet would observe it less; nevertheless his deceits always succeeded according to his wishes, because he well understood this side of mankind.

Therefore it is unnecessary for a prince to have all the good qualities I have enumerated, but it is very necessary to appear to have them. And I shall dare to say this also, that to have them and always to observe them is injurious, and that to appear to have them is useful; to appear merciful, faithful, humane, religious, upright, and to be so, but with a mind so framed that should you require not to be so, you may be able and know how to change to the opposite.

And you have to understand this, that a prince, especially a new one, cannot observe all those things for which men are esteemed, being often forced, in order to maintain the state, to act contrary to faith, friendship, humanity, and religion. Therefore it is necessary for him to have a mind ready to turn itself accordingly as the winds and variations of fortune force it, yet, as I have said above, not to diverge from the good if he can avoid doing so, but, if compelled, then to know how to set about it.

For this reason a prince ought to take care that he never lets anything slip from his lips that is not replete with the above-named five qualities, that he may appear to him who sees and hears him altogether merciful, faithful, humane, upright, and religious. There is nothing more necessary to appear to have than this last quality, inasmuch as men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, because it belongs to everybody to see you, to few to come in touch with you. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are, and those few dare not oppose themselves to the opinion of the many, who have the majesty of the state to defend them; and in the actions of all men, and especially of princes, which it is not prudent to challenge, one judges by the result.

For that reason, let a prince have the credit of conquering and holding his state, the means will always be considered honest, and he will be praised by everybody because the vulgar are always taken by what a thing seems to be and by what comes of it; and in the world there are only the vulgar, for the few find a place there only when the many have no ground to rest on.

One prince 1 of the present time, whom it is not well to name, never preaches anything else but peace and good faith, and to both he is most hostile, and either, if he had kept it, would have deprived him of reputation and kingdom many a time.

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I like to be deceived.
ithink140
Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:50:09 AM
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jcbarros, you said: I like to be deceived




You owe me a hundred bucks
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Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:25:38 AM

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"Bad boys" and dumb girls.
Bully_rus
Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:56:58 AM
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Daemon wrote:
One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.

Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)


Yeah, demand vs. supply, chicken vs. egg. Why people so gullible/liable to lie? Nevertheless, art profits greatly through that trait.
Dr. Mohammed Albadri
Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 2:15:28 PM

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I don't agree I think there is no sound person likes to be deceived , but he who deceives inevitably some day will swallow the same hook he used to feed that is reasonable. not all that is said must be taken as a decisive rule
Christian Schmidt Q.
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Daemon wrote:
One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.

Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)

I'm not quite sure about it's truth. It sounds too rhetorical to me. To start with, it leads you directly to the question what was there first, the egg or the chicken. I've learnt that whenever that kind of question arises from a sentence, it certainly contains a deception that makes it sound logical.
Christine
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Dr. Mohammed Albadri wrote:
I don't agree I think there is no sound person likes to be deceived , but he who deceives inevitably some day will swallow the same hook he used to feed that is reasonable. not all that is said must be taken as a decisive rule


read above ^jcbarros
mirilli
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Daemon wrote:
One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.

Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)


This sentence summarize the current Italian politics.
John Malamon
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It seems to me that anyone who intentionally deceives another is really only deceiving one's self.
Marguerite
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This quote by Michiavelli was my first genuine laugh of the day. I really delighted it in. Not only is it cynical but it is also true. Those who are decieved are not victims but volunteers. Michiavelli wrote this in the 1490s and human nature hasn't changed one iota l, has it?
safae1
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it seems to me , that it 's just like the attraction rules ,when you allow people to deceive you , and you don't have any problem in that point , or maybe you just don't have the capacity or the courage to face them so you attract them , they will say that anyway they won't found any problem in deceiving you .
that what i constate from the quote !
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of course it has changed and a lot , and people try to remedy to that problem by learning books of personnel develepment !
Omar F.
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Bush and the American voters seems to be more appropriate! Liar
Christine
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Marguerite wrote:
This quote by Michiavelli was my first genuine laugh of the day. I really delighted it in. Not only is it cynical but it is also true. Those who are decieved are not victims but volunteers. Michiavelli wrote this in the 1490s and human nature hasn't changed one iota l, has it?


"Those who are decieved are not victims but volunteers." Let that to the victims of child porn.
Christine
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Christine wrote:
Marguerite wrote:
This quote by Michiavelli was my first genuine laugh of the day. I really delighted it in. Not only is it cynical but it is also true. Those who are decieved are not victims but volunteers. Michiavelli wrote this in the 1490s and human nature hasn't changed one iota l, has it?


"Those who are decieved are not victims but volunteers." Let that to the victims of child porn.


"Let that"? s/b Tell that to the victims of child porn.

s/b deceived
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Daemon wrote:
One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.

Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)


Being lied to gets all the help it can get from being gullible.
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