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What was here first God or our universe? Options
pljames
Posted: Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:51:07 AM
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I would say God and the universe because God create the sun moon and the planets our of matter. He created the Earth the sun and the planets. How can our mind fathom anything else? To me our universe with the sun stars earth still had atoms, but no light. So he created our universe out of other universes. I search for truth within what we already know by induction and deduction. Wisdom is in truth and to know what to do with it after we acquire it. Thoughts? Paul
FounDit
Posted: Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:22:45 AM

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Just a few thoughts that came to mind after reading your post:

1. Truth, for you, is whatever you choose to believe.

2. We are creatures with senses that inform our brain that we exist in an environment we have discovered to be but a sub-atomic speck in the whole of the Universe.

3. Some look at that evidence and see a Supreme Being as the Creator of it all.

4. Some look at the evidence and see a natural design that evolved from an, as yet, unknown beginning that is only hypothesized.

5. You state you believe in God who created this Universe out of other Universes. Since you say you believe this, then for you, this is truth. If you believe this as truth, I'm curious as to why you ask for the opinions of others.

Morzen
Posted: Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:47:23 PM
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There is no ‘first’ with regard to ‘God’. As the creator of the Universe, whatever our concept of God may be, i.e., It, He, She, He/She, whatever or whomever, exists outside of time and space (our Universe) in order to have created it. Trying to conceptualize such an entity would be like an amoeba trying to conceptualize a human being. The gap is just too large for us in our present moment. Maybe if we eventually migrate to a higher plane or dimension (a post-life existence) things may be different. But right now as ‘mere mortals’ it’s futile. We imagine and think we have some answers, but in reality if what we imagine is regarded as capital T truth, we are only deluding ourselves.

Just my thoughts.
Spiral
Posted: Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:25:30 PM

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Morzen wrote:
There is no ‘first’ with regard to ‘God’. As the creator of the Universe, whatever our concept of God may be, i.e., It, He, She, He/She, whatever or whomever, exists outside of time and space (our Universe) in order to have created it. Trying to conceptualize such an entity would be like an amoeba trying to conceptualize a human being. The gap is just too large for us in our present moment. Maybe if we eventually migrate to a higher plane or dimension (a post-life existence) things may be different. But right now as ‘mere mortals’ it’s futile. We imagine and think we have some answers, but in reality if what we imagine is regarded as capital T truth, we are only deluding ourselves.

Just my thoughts.

Enjoyed your thoughts, Morzen.

To continue with this fascinating discussion:

I came across an interesting thought exercise that asks:

1. What are we in?

2. How big is it?

3. What is beyond it?

4. How long has it been here?

5. Where did it come from?

6. Why is it here?

7. Who knows how it works?


Makes you think even if you don't want to believe what the Bible teaches. Think
rogermue
Posted: Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:55:22 PM

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Actually I avoid such speculative discussions. But I would like to present one idea.
What if the universe and God is one and the same thing but our minds are not apt to see or grasp the relation.
Absurdicuss
Posted: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 7:06:50 PM
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Around every circle a larger circle can be drawn, but not around GOD.
irek
Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 9:49:26 AM

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If he is Almighty - can he make a stone that he couldn't lift?
Trivium_Discipulus
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:10:49 AM
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FounDit wrote:
Just a few thoughts that came to mind after reading your post:

1. Truth, for you, is whatever you choose to believe.


That would be his perception, which may or may not be aligned with truth.

There is a big difference.
Ray41
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:34:18 AM

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All the knowledge that is available in this world points to no know other inhabited planet.

If this Earth is the actual limit of humankind, then whatever/whoever created the unimaginably sized universe, has, used a huge amount of energy, and, wasted vast amounts of real estate to provide an infinitesimally small place in which to allow humankind to live, and, slowly destroy the magnificence that Earth once was.Think
Curtis Bray
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God came first , that is where we came from . Then we created the Universe and we also maintain it from the other side .
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:11:37 AM

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In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded ;-)

Maryam Dad
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:00:45 AM

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And the heaven/sky/space We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander ;)
towan52
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:28:28 AM

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In the beginning was a big toadstool which exploded. But there was not mush room in the universe so the stools formed into balls that followed each other around and around. As they decomposed, humans appeared to eat the fungi so the planets died.

It really is very simple - Liar
Maryam Dad
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:11:03 PM

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“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?”


That's what I got. A bit disappointment really, no words of galaxy, nebula, Bluetooth and banana in the Quran.
jacobusmaximus
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:18:07 PM

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I'm settled on the teaching of Scripture: 'In the beginning God was....'. You can't get earlier than the beginning. Then God created what he created. So God existed before the universe. That is the truth as I see it. I believe it by faith.

Jyrkkä Jätkä
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Towan,
the toadstool came in the fifth day, so it could not explode in the beginning.
Ray41
Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:38:07 PM

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jacobusmaximus wrote:
I'm settled on the teaching of Scripture: 'In the beginning God was....'. You can't get earlier than the beginning. Then God created what he created. So God existed before the universe. That is the truth as I see it. I believe it by faith.



OK, then, but, where did God come from? Think
jacobusmaximus
Posted: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 3:18:07 AM

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Ray41 wrote:
jacobusmaximus wrote:
I'm settled on the teaching of Scripture: 'In the beginning God was....'. You can't get earlier than the beginning. Then God created what he created. So God existed before the universe. That is the truth as I see it. I believe it by faith.



OK, then, but, where did God come from? Think


God always was. Our finite minds cannot understand that. There are things we will never know, stars we will never reach.
towan52
Posted: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:21:44 PM

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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
Towan,
the toadstool came in the fifth day, so it could not explode in the beginning.


Cobblers awls! nothing came in on the fifth day because plans were being made for the seventh! Whistle
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