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Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few. Options
Daemon
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Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.

George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
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What did he mean? Did he say anything about the solution to this impasse between the incompetent and the corrupt?
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Imthin thar wHat he is saying is that democracy allows few corrupt officials to appoint lots os people without election
Orson Burleigh
Posted: Saturday, February 1, 2014 4:38:08 AM

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An apt aphoristic summing-up of the Thailand's current political predicament: a formerly dominant group, largely drawn from upper and middle class families, has lost the trust of a majority of the nation's electorate. That disenchanted majority has come to regard that formerly dominant group as self-interested and irredeemably corrupt. The formerly dominant group, in its turn, posits that the newly cohesive electoral majority are self-interested and irredeemably incompetent
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Daemon wrote:
Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.

George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

Most post-Soviet countries can't even dream about such election as it is described by Shaw, cause as a rule there's only the corrupt One. Maxim against Revolutionists and its direct descendants.
TheParser
Posted: Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:44:00 AM
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Yes, democracy is a terrible form of government. In my country, almost all of our officials (from city government to national government) are incompetent (or worse).

BUT we must never forget that Sir Winston Churchill said something to the effect of:



Democracy is the worst form of government EXCEPT FOR all the other forms of government.

I certainly prefer our government over that of China's or Russia's or Zimbabwe's or Iran's or ...
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Posted: Saturday, February 1, 2014 8:46:18 AM

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If a democracy is allowed to be arrogated by the corrupt, such as what has happened here in the US with our two party system then what George Bernard Shaw says is true.
Kirk Stephens
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Rather critical of democracy.
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Posted: Saturday, February 1, 2014 9:32:59 AM

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Kirk Stephens wrote:
Rather critical of democracy.


He seems especially critical but after a politician gets into office, it often appears that they become pawns to special interest. He is implying too that democracy is no better than say a monarchy or other form of government except that democracy hides behind the vail of elected representation by the people, and for the people....
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Government by virtuous minorities, it would be great were it not for the unavoidable fall into tyranny.
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Posted: Saturday, February 1, 2014 10:49:44 AM
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Like some others on this thread, I first read this as "election of the incompetent", but Shaw was more subtle than that. The quote is actually "election by the incompetent". He is implying that the electorate is incompetent, not the elected officials. In pre-democratic times, the government was appointed by the corrupt few.

Nowadays, even in the West, we have the election of the corrupt few by an incompetent electorate (and the corrupt few would like to keep it that way).
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The corrupt few, whom are also incompetent.
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Posted: Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:00:09 PM

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Beautifully phrased. Excellent quote!

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Posted: Saturday, February 1, 2014 2:36:30 PM
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Daemon wrote:
Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.

George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)


Democracy has been "improved" by subsequent substitutions:

Democratically elected appointees of the corrupt few substitute, and masquerade at the same time, for democratic governing by the incompetent many.
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TheParser wrote:
Yes, democracy is a terrible form of government. In my country, almost all of our officials (from city government to national government) are incompetent (or worse).

BUT we must never forget that Sir Winston Churchill said something to the effect of:



Democracy is the worst form of government EXCEPT FOR all the other forms of government.

I certainly prefer our government over that of China's or Russia's or Zimbabwe's or Iran's or ...
I need an interpreter to understand Mr Shaw's statement but I don't need one to understand this letter to my bedridden president, Mr Mugabe; www.nehandaradio.com/2014/01/30/a-letter-to-robert-mugabe/
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Democracy is a illusion while the corruption to live in the middle of society.
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Democracy is an apparatus serving the 1% under the guise of human rights, preservation of privacy and freedom.
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Folks, words matter.

America IS NOT a democracy, IT IS a Republic.

I don't care what Bankster financed political and media rhetoricians tell you, America is a Republic, of which democratic elections, to support and defend THE REPUBLIC, are just one part of a the REPUBLIC MODEL.

Let's be clear about the difference between the two methods of government.

In a democracy, two wolves and a sheep voter on what will be eaten for dinner. The democratic vote is 2-1 that the sheep will be eaten by the two wolves.

In a Republic that enshrines the individual right to self protection, two wolves and an ARMED SHEEP votes on what is for dinner. Those carrots all of a sudden look a lot better to the wolves.

Do some "grammar" research on Shaw. He was aligned with the corrupt people of whom he speaks.

George Bernard Shaw and "the Humane Gas"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgpaKkrZex4

Justify Your Existence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8lwg-NMWjE

It is called eugenics, people, and the banking oligarchs and their top level minions are obsessed with it.

Shaw aligned himself with these people - people who view the common person as the enemy.

See, criminals like John Corzine who loot bank accounts and hand it over to JP Morgan, the same JP Morgan that ran Bernie Madoff's Ponzi Scheme for him by the way, don't have to justify anything, BUT YOU DO.

When Wachovia gets busted laundering up to $378 billion in drug money of for the drug cartels, they don't have to justify their existence... no criminal charges are brought, they paid a small fine, the money was never recovered and only the whistle blower was fired!

See how that works?

Research "Fabian Socialists." Their mascot is wolf in sheep's clothing and a hammer over the planet forming it their will... essentially financial fascism masquerading as "socialism" so the "incompetent" can't figure out they are victims of the highest Art of War operation in human history. They chose tip toe totalitarianism and their plan has worked well for them.

Research "Margaret Sanger," the founder of Planned Parenthood, and her obsession with murdering off all the "weeds."

Here are some quotes to get you started...

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Lucky for Margaret and here ilk that Martin Luther King was assassinated so that a person like Jesse Jackson could fulfill their agenda (something King would not have done!).

In short, Bernard Shaw is a eugenics obsessed arch-criminal who aligned himself with the klepto-parasitic, genocidal international monetary system cartel and essentially wants you making profit for what he considers his "club" or wants you exterminated - and he basically openly said as much.

Hitler didn't create eugenics, he borrowed it from the Monetary Oligarch "club," but failed to implement it the Fabian Socialist way.

The solution is between our ears. We need to learn to think rationally via the Trivium pattern of knowledge gathering (like Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Alexander the Great, Shakespeare)... a true mind liberating education IS YOUR DESTINY but YOU need to seek it out and invest in it yourself BECAUSE THAT IS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE ENTRENCHED, CORRUPT ESTABLISHMENT and they will not promote it. In fact, they will wage war against it... look who finances schooling... Bill Gates whose father was involved with Sanger's eugenics plan (research it). The Rockefeller Foundation - the Rockefellers played a key roll in enshrining inextinguishable societal debt through usurious monetary system fraud* upon much of the world.

*If Rockefeller, Inc. (general term of the Money Power... doubtful Rockefellers are actually at the tippy top of that tyrannical pyramid) loans $20 to society/government, in one year society/government owes $21 to Rockefeller, Inc. due to double bookkeeping entry adjustments that add $1 interest liability to society/government and $ interest asset to Rockefeller, Inc. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOCIETY TO THE PAY THE MONEY BANK UNLESS ROCKEFELLER, INC **VOLUNTARILY** GIVES **ALL** THEIR MONEY BACK TO SOCIETY TO PAY OFF THE DEBTS AND THEN THERE IS NO MONEY LEFT FOR ANYONE.

Instead of doing that, Rockefeller, Inc. is hoarding cash in bailouts where the $20 is created and kept by Rockefeller, Inc. corporate interests and the $21 debt obligation is forced upon society/government EVEN THOUGH SOCIETY/GOVERNMENT DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY MONEY!

Every $20 lent into society has the very same problem SO YOU CAN'T MAKE IT UP ON VOLUME, YOU JUST CREATE THIS...

Weapons of Mass Debt
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77

...AT LEAST UNTIL THE DEBT BUBBLE BLOWS UP IN OUR FACE!

For a graphical view of the debt/money flow...

Debt Money Tyranny
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

No wonder Lord Acton said, "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks."
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Posted: Sunday, February 2, 2014 12:39:05 AM
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Bully_rus wrote: "Most post-Soviet countries can't even dream about such election as it is described by Shaw, cause as a rule there's only the corrupt One. Maxim against Revolutionists and its direct descendants."


Isn't that the truth! How many places on this earth would be so much better if only what we have in the Western world--blemished as it is--could be available.

Bully_rus was the only member here to have discovered the origin of the quotation from Shaw's "Man and Superman: A Comedy and a Philosophy" 1903; more precisely the quotation is found in
Maxims for Revolutionists, appended to the play, I believe. Bully_rus gives us a nice play on words in his own second part comment which I underlined above.
Revolutionists everywhere and their direct descendants, beware!

Find below a few other quotations from Epistle Dedicatory of "Man and Superman": http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Man_and_Superman

One can see more clearly what Shaw meant and his preoccupation with democracy being endangered by the ill-bred, incompetent people (no Eugenics there).

Quote: ""Our political experiment of democracy, the last refuge of cheap misgovernment, will ruin us if our citizens are ill bred.""

""Progress can do nothing but make the most of us all as we are…""

"" We must either breed political capacity or be ruined by Democracy, which was forced on us by the failure of the older alternatives.
Yet if Despotism failed only for want of a capable benevolent despot, what chance has Democracy, which requires a whole population of capable voters."" End quote.

Italics are mine for convenience. George Bernard Shaw had many controversial opinions, a unique quality in his wit and irony, but was hardly, and still is not, disreputable.
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I am on the learning mission here and to be helpful in some small way is a truly pleasure. As always thanks for your thoughtful titbits.
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