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Daemon
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Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilized by education; they grow firm there, firm as weeds among stones.

Charlotte Bronte (1816-1855)
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Posted: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:33:03 AM

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Daemon wrote:
Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilized by education; they grow firm there, firm as weeds among stones. Charlotte Bronte (1816-1855)


I particularly like the reference to education. Education may not be the only instrument in combating prejudices but it sure makes a man see prejudice as a human frailty. It is interesting to note that education is often referenced as a remedy to cure most social ills--from insurgencies and war, to prejudice and prosperity. Is education really that powerful?
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Education is the only solution.
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...they grow firm there, firm as weeds among stones. My background is strongly rustic and I have come to know you will not easily unroot a weed among stones, you only pluck out the stalk and the weed grows out again. Prejudice in an uneducated heart will always be there.
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Professor, you asked: Is education really that powerful?

Depends on the nature of the education... the recipient... and the teacher.


Oh.... and the soil it falls upon or is sounded down into.
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I concur, ithink. Too many contingencies to accept the authors statement in terms of education alone.
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I concur, ithink. Too many contingencies to accept the authors statement in terms of education alone.


Agreed, Abs, Ithink. Many well-educated people were all too ready to settled matters by armed conflict, especially if they felt sure they would be on the winning side.
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Teach the child the way he should go and when he grows not from it.
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Problem with prejudice is that every possible sin in the world may be embellish under the title of prejudice and stay untouchable in that way.
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Daemon wrote:
Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilized by education; they grow firm there, firm as weeds among stones.

Charlotte Bronte (1816-1855)


Ahhh, prejudice. It applies to much more than race, although, that it often the subject under discussion when it is brought up.

I've been aware of times when my prejudice blinded me even from simple truths. This can happen when trying to solve a riddle...

"The cowboy rode into town on Friday. Six days later, the cowboy left town, also on Friday. How is this possible?"

Well, if you are prejudiced into thinking Friday must refer to a day of the week, well, you have quite the conundrum don't you?

This kind of thing happens all the time, our prejudice guides our stream of consciousness. The good news is that being aware of this mechanism, we can use our intellect to short circuit it and exercise our freedom over basically "stimulus / response" automated actions.

There is much truth to this quote, however, a critical caveat is that today's Rockefeller derived "education" is more akin to schooling (think operant conditioning - indoctrination and regurgitation OR ELSE!) and doesn't represent the true mind liberating arts encapsulated in the Trivium Method.

A person educated in the Trivium understands they need to gather sufficient relevant data and apply logic (non contradictory / non fallacy based) to it BEFORE one can reach a valid conclusion.

Prejudice, by definition, lacks grammar and/or logic... therefore, and educated person would understand any conclusions they make based on a dearth of grammar and logic are, at best, conditional on the need to gather more information and to logically assemble it.

Such a person, by the way, is a threat to a criminal establishment because they actually have the ability to think independently of the self serving [bankster financed] establishment narratives.

One could consider the Trivium a framework for true intellectual self-defense.

In other words, one can be schooled to the point of having multiple PhDs, but they still might not be truly educated with a liberated mind. As such, they might have many prejudices and an ego so strong, as well as a lack of independent self-confidence, as to prevent them from ever eliminating said prejudices.

I present as evidence the typical physician.

While the EPA scientists are on record opposing water fluoridation due to a dearth of efficacy science and lots of correlations to bad outcomes like reduced IQ, bone cancer, dental fluorosis, skeletal fluorosis and other various nasties, the average American physician will claim that the cost benefit makes sense.

When asked for the grammar (data) and logic they used to reach that conclusion, well, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. At least nobody has any that I've interacted with (one doctor and one dentist) and nobody has any that has been used to counteract the EPA Scientist's Union detailed request to have a moratorium called on water fluoridation. BTW, I studied the grammar and couldn't find anything to support water fluoridation and that's why I asked the highly schooled (not educated!) proponents for their data and grammar. The physician I asked claimed to have done his own research and said he would give it to me when I asked for it. He never presented me with anything and no longer wants to talk about.

His schooling taught him to lie and conceal rather than deal with his prejudice in a rational way.

WHY EPA HEADQUARTERS UNION OF SCIENTISTS OPPOSES FLUORIDATION
http://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm

[they actually sied the government to force them to deliver fluoride free water to EPA headquarters in Washington, DC - so they now deliver fluoride free bottled water... but many bottled waters have estrogen mimickers and other toxins in them (essentially low dose oil distillate "tea") - the EPA scientists have some more grammar and logic to study....]

Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/

"The average loss in IQ was reported as a standardized weighted mean difference of 0.45, which would be approximately equivalent to seven IQ points for commonly used IQ scores with a standard deviation of 15.* Some studies suggested that even slightly increased fluoride exposure could be toxic to the brain. Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas. The children studied were up to 14 years of age, but the investigators speculate that any toxic effect on brain development may have happened earlier, and that the brain may not be fully capable of compensating for the toxicity."

Now, if you want a little more grammar that might explain why the International Monetary Cartel is brain damaging the population via toxififying the body via stealth...

One data point to consider comes from the book Between Two Ages by International Monetary Cartel's chief technocrats Zbigniew Brzezinski...

In his own words...

"In this way, one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period.... No matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behavior for national advantages to some, the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades."
~Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages

"As one specialist noted, 'By the year 2018, technology will make available to the leaders of the major nations, a variety of techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised. One nation may attack a competitor covertly by bacteriological means, thoroughly weakening the population (though with a minimum of fatalities) before taking over with its own armed forces. Alternatively, techniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm....(Gordon J. F. MacDonald, "Space," in Toward the year 2018, p.34). "
~Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages, footnote

“The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.”
~Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages

Yes, this is the kind of person who makes it to the top levels of the International Monetary Cartel that finances your politicians (both "teams", BTW) and the operations of the government they hijacked a long time ago.

“In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason.”
― Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

Yes, "punking" the citizenry was the plan from the beginning.

This book was written in the late 60s, early 70s.

Yes, he actually put these evil plots down on paper for all - WHO KNOW TO SEEK OUT THE GRAMMAR - to see.

Between Two Ages Wiki

http://infowars.wikia.com/wiki/Between_Two_Ages
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Posted: Friday, January 31, 2014 2:49:03 PM
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Daemon wrote:
Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilized by education; they grow firm there, firm as weeds among stones.

Charlotte Bronte (1816-1855)


"Jane Eyre" in Chapter 29 harbors more than one prejudice; the ones that Jane was thinking about in this quotation not necessarily being the worst.http://literature.org/authors/bronte-charlotte/jane-eyre/chapter-29.html

After several days and nights of having been exposed to hunger and the elements while lost in the country, she was taken in by someone--a parson turns out later--
who had found her near collapse outdoors. Jane had been turned away from the door of the same house by Hannah, the uneducated servant, who thought her to be a beggar.

Jane wakes up a few days later in bed, vaguely conscious of events passed since rescued. This is going through her head and she narrates:

""It (the house) was full of the fragrance of new bread and the warmth of a generous fire. Hannah was baking. Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilised by education: they grow there, firm as weeds among stones. Hannah had been cold and stiff, indeed, at the first: latterly she had begun to relent a little; and when she saw me come in tidy and well-dressed, she even smiled.""

The other prejudices, not called so, appear to be projected as judgmental considerations of Jane's aspect,( quality of clothes, physiognomy, speech)
which make her acceptable to the educated sisters of the house, her peers, therefore trustworthy even before being known for who she was.
Here are the excerpts of other recollections by Jane, in her dazed condition as she was recuperating from her ordeal:

Qoute"" Diana and Mary appeared in the chamber once or twice a day. They would whisper sentences of this sort at my bedside -

"It is very well we took her in."

"Yes; she would certainly have been found dead at the door in the morning had she been left out all night. I wonder what she has gone through?"

"Strange hardships, I imagine--poor, emaciated, pallid wanderer?"

"She is not an uneducated person, I should think, by her manner of speaking; her accent was quite pure; and the clothes she took off, though splashed and wet, were little worn and fine."

"She has a peculiar face; fleshless and haggard as it is, I rather like it; and when in good health and animated, I can fancy her physiognomy would be agreeable."

Never once in their dialogues did I hear a syllable of regret at the hospitality they had extended to me, or of suspicion of, or aversion to, myself. I was comforted.""End qoute


Perhaps lack of education is not only a biological medium for cultivating prejudice but also an attenuating circumstance for exhibiting it.


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I would like to extend a debt of gratitude to Trivium Discipulus for such an infomative reply. There certainly is a difference between getting an education and learning how to think independently. Without a liberal arts education we will have educated people holding their prejudices with love. Opening one's mind to questioning and examining and learning the difference between fact and opinion is just the beginning but it is a journey well worth taking. A vibrant democarcy depends on it. Utlimately you should do onto others what you would have done onto you.
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Funny, seems pretty easy to find that the most educated people are those who hold some of the strongest elitist bigotries.
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Funny, seems pretty easy to find that the most educated people are those who hold some of the strongest elitist bigotries.


I agree with you here. I think Charlotte Bronte is referring to education that opens people's minds (rather than education that teaches that there is only one right way to do things or to exist). It's interesting (and frustrating) that adding qualifications and statements to elegant statements often results in not-so-elegant delivery, but trying to preserve the elegance and brevity of the statement will result in it not being able to stand up to rigorous scrutiny and debate.
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@Green Banana

Yes indeed, academic elites are entrenched in their various prejudices, having dedicated much of their life energy pursuing truth.

For us humans, generally, it seems to me that more information is required to overturn what we believe than that which brought us to it in the first place.


TRIV - another informative piece..thanks.
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Marguerite wrote:
I would like to extend a debt of gratitude to Trivium Discipulus for such an infomative reply. There certainly is a difference between getting an education and learning how to think independently. Without a liberal arts education we will have educated people holding their prejudices with love. Opening one's mind to questioning and examining and learning the difference between fact and opinion is just the beginning but it is a journey well worth taking. A vibrant democarcy depends on it. Utlimately you should do onto others what you would have done onto you.


What Does Training Fleas Have To Do With Schooling?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJhSAv-NrDo#t=130

The one aspect left is to have confidence in your own research. When you learn the data and grammar regarding fluoride, act on it and direct other people to your grammar (data) and logic. The establishment social engineers have worked very hard to create timid souls who shy away from an "authority" calling them a name (ad hominem logical fallacy - remember, reality doesn't rely on logical fallacies... they should shut up with the name calling and bring grammar and logic to the table, but since they can't, they call names and hope their prey fall into their trap).

A poster on these forums has a signature quote similar to - "Question everything, especially authority... how do you know what you think you know?"

That's an excellent principle... test your knowledge, don't ignorantly defend a position. If you can't prove it with data and logic, you don't know it. If it is important to you then do the research!

I would like to clarify your reference to "democracy." America is NOT a democracy (mob rule, 51% vote to enslave 49%). America is a Republic (a base set of personal freedoms that NOBODY is supposed to be able to simply vote away even if 99% of the people want it) that used voting to install the people who are support THE REPUBLIC.

Of course, the government was hijacked a loooooong time ago and the Bankster financed political operatives spend all day eviscerating civil liberties... you know, enslaving you to themselves for your own good, of course.

If you want to meander further into the history and application of schooling, as opposed to education, I **highly** recommend any material that John Taylor Gatto has produced. He quit the New York School district as reigning New York State Teacher of the Year because he couldn't bear hurting children working through such a corrupt schooling system.

Here is a sample reading from Gatto's "The Underground History of American Education" book:

“We [WHO is this "we?" I don't recall a vote... A democracy? Not! A Republic? Not a chance!] want one class of persons to have a liberal education, and we want another class of persons, a very much larger class of necessity in every society, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks.”
― Woodrow Wilson

The New Individualism

http://schoolsucksproject.com/the-new-individualism/

The Ultimate History Lesson with John Taylor Gatto (former NY State Teacher of the Year)

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL463AA90FD04EC7A2

More here:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8v6e5jkrm1FvaQv7GuZe41o4fPfreV0O&src_vid=RmlwTbRw8Xc&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_1899663627

School Sucks (Education Rocks!) Project
"Indoctrination + Regurgitation + Graduation IS NOT EDUCATION"

http://schoolsucksproject.com/

Trivium Education

http://www.triviumeducation.com/
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Absurdicuss wrote:
@Green Banana

Yes indeed, academic elites are entrenched in their various prejudices, having dedicated much of their life energy pursuing truth.

For us humans, generally, it seems to me that more information is required to overturn what we believe than that which brought us to it in the first place.


TRIV - another informative piece..thanks.


Hi Absurdicuss, thanks for the kind words. I'm very pleased that some people find value in my data and logic based rhetorical, even if my literary make up is rather "mechanical" in nature. I'd write in a much more interesting and enjoyable fashion if I knew how. I'm trying to learn, but then writing becomes work instead of flow...

My observation is that it is the rare person who actually pursues "the truth" when their is an establishment agenda to mislead the masses for personal benefit.

In addition, most folks cognitively flee true understanding when it means the establishment will no longer put its figurative arm around them with approval.

Of course, issue of no import, where there is nothing of value to lose, the average person will question all day long.

But don't question the establishment narrative on issues the establishment dresses up with some serious propaganda - like water fluoridation.

Ask your doctor to present you with the research he used to conclude it was a good practice and then sit back and watch a highly schooled grown man or woman contort rationality as they try to achieve two objectives, neither of which has any iota do with seeking out the truth: 1. Try to maintain their authoritative role in society and 2. Avoid admitting they don't have any research on which to base their opinion.

I also have a beef with most local pastors. I literally have two pastors that avoid me like the plague because I proved to them that the monetary system, and the government that enforces it at gunpoint and jail cell key, are factual criminals mathematically provable only with 5th grade math.

The last sermon I heard from one pastor was to stand down and "let God take care of it."

Yes, because the Bible is all about prophets and the Messiah sitting on their rear ends "letting God take care of the world's evil."

This guy would have been a Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot wet dream!

Yes, stand down, stay ignorant and let criminals destroy your future... donuts and coffee in the meeting room!

So much of society is a fake veneer that most people have no idea how to react when they run into someone REAL who is educated and interested in REAL issues.

Anyone can change on a dime, though - all it takes is a decision.

The economic collapse is engineered to come... might as well be intellectually and physically prepared as much as possible in advance of the fireworks.

You might find this quote of interest:

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"
-- Mark Twain

I've found that to be a very true insight.
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Problem with prejudice is that every possible sin in the world may be embellish under the title of prejudice and stay untouchable in that way.


Interesting thought, Bully_rus. If you look at prejudice as "A preconceived preference or idea (either favorable or unfavorable)", which is one sense of usage, a lot of sins may be hidden and stay untouchable under the title of "prejudice".
We have developed a real talent to embellish even the ugly thing by spinning reality, decorating it by fiction.
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@Triv (dark red denotes philosophic passion)

Check out Chuck Baldwin@chuckbaldwinlive.com

Chuck's a very perceptive observer of current events as they relate to the matrix of deception. He is also an excellent writer and articulates well the frustrations of living in a sheep state.

In his latest article "Everyone Loves A Police State" Chuck points out the prevailing numbness of mind that now grips the average American citizen.

*******

Samuel Clemens, an acerbic wit of superb insight.

Here's another classic quote: If voting really mattered they wouldn't allow it.


The biggest challenge in broadcasting this message is fully summed up in the quote you posted.


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@Triv (dark red denotes philosophic passion)

Check out Chuck Baldwin@chuckbaldwinlive.com

The biggest challenge in broadcasting this message is fully summed up in the quote you posted.


I've heard Chuck interviewed before, but I didn't know about his website and his writing. Thanks.

Didn't he write a book or two on the Biblical nature of the second amendment? I think I have one and I need to read it.

I believe that the criminal class at the top and the common citizen both suffer from the exact same affliction that simply expresses itself differently in each population.

Selfishness.

The people at the top leverage their resources to absolutely eviscerate everyone else over a long time frame. That's selfish.

The common people can't be bothered... too busy doing "their thing" as their standard of living is slowly removed from them... free and clear assets replaced by debt assets just ahead of a debt/monetary collapse. That's Selfish.

A wise person once said, "[t]he beginning of wisdom is great sorrow."

Indeed.

PS - Sorry for all the typos I just noticed in previous posts... I must have gotten ahead of myself. It happens.
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@Triv (dark red denotes philosophic passion)
In his latest article "Everyone Loves A Police State" Chuck points out the prevailing numbness of mind that now grips the average American citizen.


Hi Absurdicuss,

Baldwin is wrong about the world's largest mass murderer.

It isn't Stalin. It isn't Mao.

Neither are even close.

It is the International Monetary/Banking Cartel, the supranational criminal cartel that controls Western nation's money and, by extension, their governments.

They instigated and financed both World War I and World War II. They financed Lenin into power, which led to Stalin. They financed Mao into power. They financed Pol Pot into power. They've had their hand in almost every major there is.

But shooting war is not where their biggest body count rests.

That resting spot would be in their engineered poverty of billions in order to starve 20-30 million people to death per annum.

Poverty is ENGINEERED through debt based monetary system that mechanically impoverish people by design and then starve entire populations to death.

They get away with this because people don't have eyes to see this evil, but it all makes sense when the dots are connected.

If you have Netflix (or Youtube, below), watch "A Film Unfinished" (Hitler filmed the Warsaw Ghetto a couple weeks before he sent the people to a concentration camp) and then watch "Empire in Africa" (about the International Money Cartel controlled United Nation's running an entire nation state as though it were a modern day Warsaw Ghetto - because that's EXACTLY what it is! They don't need walls because it isn't located in a city.).

Yeah, let that reality sink in as the Matrix melts away and it gets very, very dark indeed.

Dark, but real. Very, very real.

Poverty: Debt is not a Choice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juQc0rLdB-E

A Film Unfinished (must sign in to Youtube to view)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54qo6B5uO6A

Empire in Africa (Youtube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xVjUr7dAQw
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