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Daemon
Posted: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:00:00 AM
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It is essential to the idea of a law, that it be attended with a sanction; or, in other words, a penalty or punishment for disobedience.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)
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Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:22:56 AM
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Daemon wrote:
It is essential to the idea of a law, that it be attended with a sanction; or, in other words, a penalty or punishment for disobedience.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)


Moreover, it is essential to the idea of a law that it be sanctioned by the public approval.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:34:28 AM

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Or, if the "person" is a bank or corporation, that it be allowed to settle out of court for some relatively small sum in order to continue business as usual.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:45:31 AM
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Verbatim wrote:
Daemon wrote:
It is essential to the idea of a law, that it be attended with a sanction; or, in other words, a penalty or punishment for disobedience.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)


Moreover, it is essential to the idea of a law that it be sanctioned by the public approval.


There's a direct link: the more public approval for law you have, the less enforcement you need.
Ray41
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:52:04 AM

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No doubt he was a brilliant man and accomplished much.

His major flaw appears to have been poor marksmanship.Think
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Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:10:02 AM
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This applies to today's Argentina. We are in a total moral, cultural and economical fall, we have been for certain years (decades), but now more than ever I notice that the law is broken just because there is no punishment.

The most observable example can be the traffic. In the last 5-6 years, at least in the city were I live, the disrespect of law and the lack of enforcement has led to many people directly to not acknowledging it as a daily reality.

You can even brake the law and get away without consequences, and I am not talking of big tycoons or powerful fellows, but the normal citizen.

It's the disappearance of the rule of law and it is very saddening.
Trivium_Discipulus
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:08:29 AM
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Note the law... and lack of sanction...


Federal Reserve Act

Section 2A. Monetary policy objectives

The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee shall maintain long run growth of the monetary and credit aggregates commensurate with the economy's long run potential to increase production, so as to promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates.

[12 USC 225a. As added by act of November 16, 1977 (91 Stat. 1387) and amended by acts of October 27, 1978 (92 Stat. 1897); Aug. 23, 1988 (102 Stat. 1375); and Dec. 27, 2000 (114 Stat. 3028).]


The debt bubble, created with malice aforethought by the International Banking Cartel's operatives, was a black letter law criminal act.

They lie about their true mandate... there is no "dual mandate." That's a hoax to cover up their singular mandate to, and I quote from their own law, "maintain long run growth of the monetary and credit aggregates commensurate with the economy's long run potential to increase production."

What did they actually do? According to the Fed's and the government's own data (two different entities, BTW)...

Look at the second chart...

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3311642

The Fed, along with the rest of the International Banking Cartel's corporate banking / financing corporate fronts, too credit and monetary aggregates exponential to the actualized growth in GDP.

That's a criminal act, ladies and gentlemen.

The unwinding of said criminal debt bubble is why the real economy is in the toilet.

Oh, and note the legal requirement to maintain stable prices. Folks, that inconsistent with an ever inflating price target. Inflation is contrary to stable prices.

But hey, if the nation is ignorant of reality, why not take all their "candy" as though they were a little baby?
Professor
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:29:05 AM

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Daemon wrote:
It is essential to the idea of a law, that it be attended with a sanction; or, in other words, a penalty or punishment for disobedience.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)


Yes, there are five Pillars which all societies need to stand on. If one pillar falls, the society will collapse as we have seen with the fall of Rome and other societies. The five pillars are Governance which includes the rule of law and essential services for life, Economy is the second pillar as citizens need a way to provide for their families, Environment is the third pillar which deals with the appropriate and conservation of resources, Spiritual with deals with the moral and ethical behavior and Youth in which the sustainability of the society rests.
Christine
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Ray41 wrote:
No doubt he was a brilliant man and accomplished much.

His major flaw appears to have been poor marksmanship.Think


where?
capitán
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:59:15 AM

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The definition of law depends on the context, right?
It would depend on the law to administrate the punishment as well.

Anyway… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPuE7JOF7XA
jcbarros
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:19:42 AM

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Kelsian concept (no punishment, no law).
Ismat
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Most of us respect law because we are afraid of the punishment .. Unfortunately we didn't reach 'that' point of civilization to respect laws "just" because it should be ..may be the new generations will do
Guto André
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Actually, the laws serve to confuse the true and protect the riches and powerful.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:37:26 AM
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Daemon wrote:
It is essential to the idea of a law, that it be attended with a sanction; or, in other words, a penalty or punishment for disobedience.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)


FEDERALIST PAPER #15 – Insufficiency of the Present Confederation to Preserve the Union. Published December 1, 1787

The preceding paragraph to the quotation is set forth below for context. http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/posters/alexander-hamilton/alexander-hamilton-government-implies-power

"But... if we still will adhere to the design of a national government, or, which is the same thing, of a superintending power, under the direction of a common council, we must resolve to incorporate into our plan those ingredients which may be considered as forming the characteristic difference between a league and a government; we must extend the authority of the Union to the persons of the citizens, — the only proper objects of government."

And so it was done, for better or for worse. By the way, not by way of complaining at all, why not provide quotations from the Anti-Federalist Papers?
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law
/lɔː/
noun
noun: law; noun: the law 1. the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties.



It is essential to the idea of a law, that it be attended with a sanction; or, in other words, a penalty or punishment for disobedience.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)

His statement is redundant as punishment is intrinsic to the definition.

MTC
Posted: Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:51:26 AM
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pedro wrote:
law
/lɔː/
noun
noun: law; noun: the law 1. the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties.



It is essential to the idea of a law, that it be attended with a sanction; or, in other words, a penalty or punishment for disobedience.

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804)

His statement is redundant as punishment is intrinsic to the definition.



In fairness to Hamilton, I believe he was merely highlighting the importance of penalty as one of law's essential elements.

Next, as a practical matter, laws on the books are not always enforced by penalties. Such is the case in The Peoples Republic of China in which the Constitution guarantees various individual rights, but in practice those those rights are routinely violated by the government with impunity. For that reason and for many others, the PRC is not a nation governed by the Rule of Law, despite lip service to the contrary.


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