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intorg
Posted: Saturday, December 7, 2013 5:23:09 AM
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The ongoing civil war in Syria which was started on March,2011 can be candidate for one of the most brutal wars in world history. Started as peaceful demonstrations but in following days became a horrible war between Syrian Army and the uprising groups. The opposition was composed of civilians and also escaped officers from the army who did not want to involve in these violence against civilians.

Additionally, Hezbollah also sent troops to fight together with Syrian Army against oppositon. Apart from the Hezbollah, Syrian Ba'ath Government and Army also got support from Iran, Russia and China. As known the last two are the members of the UN security council and have vote to effect the decisions. On the other hand, the opposition is supported by Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

The picture in Syria now seems like a rivalry between Alawite Shabiha militias, Syrian Army and Sunni opposition groups.

As a result of this rivalry unfortunately many innocent people lose their lives and it seems if UN or NATO does not intervene many more will die until the end of this war. Russia and China continue to prevent an international intervention whereas Turkey aims to stop this civil war immediately with an international force.
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Posted: Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:01:09 AM

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Syria has always been in a civil-war, but I agree it's even worse this year.

The debts keep buying up, and so do the bodies. d'oh!
Jyrkkä Jätkä
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TheParser
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intorg wrote:


The picture in Syria now seems like a rivalry between Alawite Shabiha militias, Syrian Army and Sunni opposition groups.




Yes, Intorg, those groups cannot seem to live together in peace.

Some people say that partition is the only answer.

In Yugoslavia, for example, the different religious communities could not live in peace, so the different sections became independent countries.

Maybe that is the only solution for Syria.


James

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Posted: Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:18:32 PM
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Syrian Army fights against persons like those Islamist fighters who move 12 abducted Syrian nuns from Maaloula to rebel-held town. Who cut off the head of their prisoners, kill injured in hospitals and commit many other savage crimes. No honest citizen would call the foreigner to intervene in his country. Considering the conflict as between Sunni and others is a big shame.
The partition of Syria is a very very very bad solution. It is a real nightmare.
I think the intervention of Nato will just add more killing and destruction.
Khalid Sami
Posted: Monday, December 9, 2013 9:18:57 AM
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Free Maaloula nuns.
Teluu
Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:22:43 AM

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Just stop fighting and killing yourselves. Either Sunni or Shia you're all brothers and sister. Guess who is laughing now, the west. They don't care!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 6:53:29 PM

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It's not that we don't care, it's that we're fatigued by constant Sunni/Shia sectarian violence. If they can't figure it out amongst themselves ( as fellow Muslims ) how the hell do you expect us to ? If we intervene we're meddling and have an agenda; if we don't intervene we " don't care ". What, exactly, would you propose that 'the West' do, Teluu ?

How about this : the Muslim world gets its collective heads together and stops killing each other so they can focus on killing the infidel. Problem solved.
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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:08:50 AM
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At this point it seems it is a war between Sunni and Shia, an Iranian backed dictator vs radical Islamic supremacists. No one seems to be fighting for the common man who just wants to be left alone, to raise his family, to live and work and pray and speak as he sees fit without being afraid of being killed or sent to jail. As horrific as the war there has been, I don't see how the West or anyone else can be expected to stick their hand into a pit full of snakes intent on killing one another, even if it is to save the innocents caught in the middle. When the two main combatants would both see you as another enemy it becomes impossible to help.
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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2013 6:28:17 PM
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Iran (the Shia country) helps Palestinians… real fact… not just lies. And most of Palestinians are sunnis (no Shiites there).
Iran supports Hamas and this is a relgious sunni party.
Most of Syrian army is sunni.
I’m sunni and I love Shiite people. I blow a kiss to them.
So,there is no war between sunna and shia. Just some fanatics like Jabhat Annusra that kills everyone even sunni people. If Jabhat Annusra will not find someone to kill, it might begin to think about killing itself. I think it has been taking some drugs somewhere.
I dare to tell you that I can't remember any example in which I can find that the USA come to any Arab country to help innocent people there. Are Palestinians not innocent people? Or they are not people at all?
Kerry.P
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Trivium_Discipulus
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 5:32:15 PM
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Syria doesn't have an International Monetary/Banking Cartel debt based monetary system... so the are big targets to the nations who are financed by said cartel.

Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya were conquered and a privately controlled Central Bank was set up to impose usury fraud upon the average citizen.

This is high level Art of War here - and these unlimited money people finance all kinds of strife to get people fighting according to their agenda.

This is why the US is actually financing al Qaeda in Syria...

Fighting Al Qaeda by Supporting Al Qaeda in Syria: The Obama Administration is a “State Sponsor of Terrorism”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fighting-al-qaeda-by-supporting-al-qaeda-in-syria-the-obama-administration-is-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/5339728

US plane loaded with weapons for Al Qaeda mercenaries fighting in Syria, landed in Jordan

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-plane-loaded-with-weapons-for-al-qaeda-mercenaries-fighting-in-syria-landed-in-jordan/5367248

CFR Strategist Praises Al-Qaeda Bombings In Syria

http://www.infowars.com/cfr-strategist-praises-al-qaeda-bombings-in-syria/

On the one hand, these Bankster financed political operatives tell Americans they have to eviscerate civil liberties and the Bill of Right because al Qaeda is out to get us and, on the other hand, they openly finance al Qaeda to overthrow foreign governments.

They did this in Libya as well.

There is a reason why the UN was told NOT to find out who shot off those chemical weapons in Syria... it was, almost assuredly, the very al Qaeda that is financed by the Bankster financed and hijacked Western governments!

No, Obama is NOT a Muslim.

He is, however, a rhetorician for higher employed by the International Monetary / Banking Cartel to push their private agenda onto the world through a captured government bureaucracy... which makes him far more dangerous... as well as the next Presidential Puppet "elected" from "candidates" all financed by the very same Biggest Finance Capital Club.

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead [or finance] it."
~Vladimir Lenin

Indeed.
TheParser
Posted: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:07:20 AM
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Secretary of State Kerry has just admitted to a group of American leaders that the situation in Syria is becoming so bad that the United States may have to take more direct action. (The Syrian government is bombing cities without mercy; some rebels are beheading people.)
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 3:41:57 PM

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That statement has not yet reached the world news. Perhaps the UN is on your way, James?
Khalid Sami
Posted: Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:58:26 PM
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TheParser wrote: (The Syrian government is bombing cities without mercy;


Well, this is bombing cities with mercy:



A building explodes as the first bomb drops during a U.S. aerial assault on insurgent targets in Najaf, Iraq, on August 19, 2004. (AP Photo/Jim MacMillan)

TheParser
Posted: Friday, February 7, 2014 5:39:24 AM
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Khalid Sami wrote:


Well, this is bombing cities with mercy:






As you know, many (the majority?) of Americans opposed the war in Iraq.

But in the United States -- as in other countries -- the common people have very little control over the government.

In fact, I just read yesterday that one high-ranking British official has suggested that Parliament (the people's representatives) should have no right to decide whether to go to war or not! (A few months ago, the prime minister wanted to take military action against Syria. Parliament said NO.)

Khalid Sami
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TheParser wrote:
As you know, many (the majority?) of Americans opposed the war in Iraq.

But in the United States -- as in other countries -- the common people have very little control over the government.


I'm sure you are right.


TheParser wrote:
In fact, I just read yesterday that one high-ranking British official has suggested that Parliament (the people's representatives) should have no right to decide whether to go to war or not! (A few months ago, the prime minister wanted to take military action against Syria. Parliament said NO.)


This is make me feel that you are one of the supporter of war against Syria. And the high-ranking British official too of course.
Thanks British Parliament.
Teluu
Posted: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:20:47 PM

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intorg wrote:
The ongoing civil war in Syria which was started on March,2011 can be candidate for one of the most brutal wars in world history. Started as peaceful demonstrations but in following days became a horrible war between Syrian Army and the uprising groups. The opposition was composed of civilians and also escaped officers from the army who did not want to involve in these violence against civilians.

Additionally, Hezbollah also sent troops to fight together with Syrian Army against oppositon. Apart from the Hezbollah, Syrian Ba'ath Government and Army also got support from Iran, Russia and China. As known the last two are the members of the UN security council and have vote to effect the decisions. On the other hand, the opposition is supported by Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

The picture in Syria now seems like a rivalry between Alawite Shabiha militias, Syrian Army and Sunni opposition groups.

As a result of this rivalry unfortunately many innocent people lose their lives and it seems if UN or NATO does not intervene many more will die until the end of this war. Russia and China continue to prevent an international intervention whereas Turkey aims to stop this civil war immediately with an international force.


Europeans and the US have a hand in what is happening in Syria, they have supported the opposition for years.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
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I have thought the Syrians their hand in what's happening there.

Teluu, don't put everything on us. For your sake, I got my scars in Lebanon.


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TheParser wrote:
Khalid Sami wrote:


Well, this is bombing cities with mercy:






As you know, many (the majority?) of Americans opposed the war in Iraq.

But in the United States -- as in other countries -- the common people have very little control over the government.

In fact, I just read yesterday that one high-ranking British official has suggested that Parliament (the people's representatives) should have no right to decide whether to go to war or not! (A few months ago, the prime minister wanted to take military action against Syria. Parliament said NO.)



WHO controls the Western governments then?

Napoleon would suggest that it is the very people who FINANCE those governments that also control it. Think about it - why else would they finance it?

"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."
~ Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821) French emperor

The correct paradigm is to view all world leaders as control freak tyrants that oppress their populations above and beyond anyone else. They might treat their population nice as long as it serves their interests. But, when it doesn't serve their interest, Katie, Bar the Door!

Now, pay attention... most politicians in the West are beholden to those who FINANCE them... the same people that finance government.

So the politicians aren't really in charge, the people who put the politicians in charge are in charge.

Why would anyone finance and promote politicians whom they didn't control, at least for the most part?

They wouldn't. They'd finance and promote someone else that they'd control.

Now, on to the Syrian war.

Assad is bad guy. But so are your Debt Money pushing politicians and the criminals financiers who run our governments and oppress us. Wait until they call in the loans - EVERY Western country goes third world and it will happen.

Assad is no danger to us, but the Money Power haven't been able to put the Syrian people under their Debt Money system. In other words, the Rockefeller Club isn't making any money over in Syria and they want that to change. They have to knock off Assad first.

All the evidence points to the Western financed (Banksters using our tax money to serve their agenda) al Qaeda rebels shooting off those chemical weapons in a false flag event engineered to dupe the gullible in the West to support a war in Syria.

Don't act shocked - read Operation Northwoods, which is free online. They were plotting similar crap in the 1960s and Kennedy stopped it. He was killed, his brother was killed (who would have replaced him) and then Johnson took Northwoods live in the faked Gulf of Tonkin event THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

That's right - the pretext for the Vietnam war NEVER HAPPENED.

This isn't theory, this is admitted fact.

The clear tell was the fact the US and the Bankster controlled UN DEMANDED that the UN investigators NOT FIND OUT WHO SHOT THE WEAPONS OFF, JUST WHETHER WEAPONS WERE SHOT.

They were protecting their criminal operation.

But news leaked out anyway.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/02/1235688/-Syrian-gas-rockets-appear-homemade-and-incapable-of-flying-5-10-miles-to-target

Not only does the international banking cartel turn our monetary system into a fraudulent assets stripping scheme, they also use our assets and lives to further their agenda of robbing even more countries with their Debt Money Tyranny system.
Teluu
Posted: Saturday, February 15, 2014 6:04:10 PM

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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
I have thought the Syrians their hand in what's happening there.

Teluu, don't put everything on us. For your sake, I got my scars in Lebanon.




It seems you don't now what is going in the world. Open your eyes. Look at what is happening in the Democratic Republic of Congo. France backed by Catholic church destroying and inciting religious tension just for the sake of raw materials with no regard for human suffering. Since they are not Caucasians dying it's OK for them. What a greedy souls with no conscience. Roman Catholic charities are like mouse trap. They lure children and molest them and you will see them every where there is war on this planet.
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Teluu states:

"Roman Catholic charities are like mouse trap. They lure children and molest them and you will see them every where there is war on this planet."


Hmmm..

Mother Teresa's Missionaries of Charity - Its mission was to care for, in her own words, "the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the crippled, the blind, the lepers, all those people who feel unwanted, unloved, uncared for throughout society, people that have become a burden to the society and are shunned by everyone."


Hardly a mouse trap for children molestation or war marmgongering, don'tcha think??


TheParser
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Latest news:

The peace talks in Geneva have gone nowhere because the current Syrian government refuses to discuss a transition government. The United Nations official in charge of the talks has apologized to the Syrian people because he has failed to achieve some solution to their horrific suffering.

My newspaper tells me:

1. The White House is considering taking more vigorous non-military action.

2. Mr. Kerry, the secretary of state (foreign minister), is pushing for some kind of military action. He believes that is the only way to get the current Syrian government's attention.

Governments, like human beings, respond to pain.
Khalid Sami
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TheParser wrote:
2. Mr. Kerry, the secretary of state (foreign minister), is pushing for some kind of military action.



There is no wonder because everybody knows that USA government love making wars against small independent countries every now and then.



TheParser wrote:
The peace talks in Geneva have gone nowhere because the current Syrian government refuses to discuss a transition government.




Syrian government want to fight terrorism first. And not ready to sell Syria.
Khalid Sami
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Trivium_Discipulus
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TheParser wrote:
Latest news:

The peace talks in Geneva have gone nowhere because the current Syrian government refuses to discuss a transition government. The United Nations official in charge of the talks has apologized to the Syrian people because he has failed to achieve some solution to their horrific suffering.

My newspaper tells me:

1. The White House is considering taking more vigorous non-military action.

2. Mr. Kerry, the secretary of state (foreign minister), is pushing for some kind of military action. He believes that is the only way to get the current Syrian government's attention.

Governments, like human beings, respond to pain.


How do I get my International Banking Cartel financed government (USA) to discuss a transition government to one that will implement the Constitution, respect the Bill of Rights and implement and honest monetary system instead of the debt based money system that impoverishes people and murders millions annually through starvation based on artificially induced poverty?

Assad is a crook, no doubt. ALL government heads are. Every one. If you didn't know, now you know.
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MIT research paper claims the evidence leaves the conclusion that the Western financed and backed (al Qaeda terrorist) rebel proxy army fired the chemical weapons and NOT the Syrian government.

Syria chemical attacks: The controversy continues

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/140204/syria-chemical-weapons-attacks-controversy-MIT-report

"The Massachusetts Institute of Technology physicist is convinced that the White House pushed the country to the brink of military action in Syria on the basis of faulty intelligence, similar to the way President George W. Bush called for the invasion of Iraq in 2003."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/01/15/214656/new-analysis-of-rocket-used-in.html

No wonder the Bankster financed Western governments demanded that the UN NOT investigate WHO shot off the weapons when it first happened... it appears they were simply doing what a false flagger would do - hide their culpability.

Research the Gulf of Tonkin Incident (it didn't happen, but it was used as pretext to invade Vietnam, kind of like Iraq had no WMD, but that narrative was used to invade Iraq).

Research "Operation Northwoods" to see what a premeditated false flag operation looks like in the planning stages.
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Jeffrey Silverman: US Was Behind Producing Sarin Gas and Using it in Syria

The American website “Veterans Today” exploded new bomb about the chemical weapons file in Syria days ago and according to the famous American political investigator and principal editor of the ex-US State Department and intelligence service publication Veterans Today, Gordon Duff, and what he wrote in his article titled “US Contractors Cited for Syrian Chemical Attacks,” US was behind producing Sarin gas which used in Syria by so called “rebels”!

Duff published a video (watch it below) which was filmed in Syria and showed the chemical weapons which were sent from Georgia in helping of US.

Duff also declared in his article that Former US Senator Richard Lugar is the person whose assistance made it possible to transport weapons from Georgia via Turkey into Syria, with the support of the United States and Turkey.
A team of investigators has determined that chemical weapons were supplied from a region which is under US control, which means that US itself supplied the Syrian rebels (terrorists) with chemicals weapons! Duff also said that investigators followed the trail of these chemical weapons to the Georgian Republic then Turkish Army subdivisions transported them to Al-Qaeda terrorists operating in Syrian territory.

Journalists, Jeffrey Silverman and Lika Moshiashvili have discovered clandestine WMD operations at the US controlled Central Reference Laboratory.

In an interview with Journalist Jeffrey Silverman, he answered a question about giving short history of the bio labs in Georgian Republic, he said, “I performed part of my military service at a chemical weapons depot, a storage site of chemical weapons in the US Army during my college years, known as the Bluegrass Army Depot, Richmond, Kentucky. I have some training in chemical weapons and bio warfare. Here nerve and other chemical weapons are stored, even to this day. I was fresh out of training from Fort Knox and taking ROTC Army training courses at the University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky.”

Silverman continued, “I learned back in 2004 about the Bechtel National Project bio storage facility in Georgia from US Defense contractors, including Turkish ones. They were working at the lab facility being constructed near Tbilisi airport. I then started deeply investigating the facility with Georgian and Norwegian journalists. My first questions were, why near the airport and why in Georgia?
soon realized that the US government and the Department of Defense, DoD, wanted to study new infectious strains, such as Anthrax, which were evolving in the wild amongst cattle herds in rural regions of Georgia. It should be mentioned that this small country and Tbilisi were once centre-stage to the Soviet Union’s system of bio weapons research, for both animal and plant warfare.

I have been able to access the design plans for the facility and, through speaking to contractors and whistle blowers, I have learned that the US Department of Defense operates a network of labs in Georgia and that they have an offensive capacity.”

Answering another question about What kind of investigation did you conduct with Lika Moshiashvili, Silverman said, “None, I have never worked with her on an investigation. I do not even know her. I only understand that she has written some articles in the Georgian Times about my work, and they were rather professional. She described how the US Embassy responded to my TV and newspaper interviews back in April. Somehow, based on her articles, a link was made by some Western media outlets to my own investigations.

She summarized my interview with Georgian newspaper Kvela Siakhle and how I had publicly stated that the laboratory was designed to conduct dangerous experiments with viruses and bacteria that could lead to the spread of such diseases in Georgia and the region. Other media outlets also carried this information.”

Silverman talked also about the Russians and said that they are certain that the Georgians and their friends, NATO, are doing something here that is not allowed under bio weapons treaties. He added, “It is public knowledge that both the US and UK have biological research projects in Georgia. They are pretending as if they are conducting civilian research. The Russians are already using allegations of bio weapons production against the Americans in the game being played over Syria, and the “false flag operation” in which the Syrian government [was accused of using] chemical weapons and killing 500 civilians.”

Source: http://http://wtfrly.com/2014/04/11/jeffrey-silverman-us-was-behind-producing-sarin-gas-and-using-it-in-syria
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Was Turkey Behind Syrian Sarin Attack?

Exclusive: Journalist Seymour Hersh has unearthed information implicating Turkish intelligence in last summer’s Sarin attack near Damascus that almost pushed President Obama into a war to topple Syria’s government and open a path for an al-Qaeda victory, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Last August, the Obama administration lurched to the brink of invading Syria after blaming a Sarin gas attack outside Damascus on President Bashar al-Assad’s government, but new evidence – reported by investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh – implicates Turkish intelligence and extremist Syrian rebels instead.

The significance of Hersh’s latest report is twofold: first, it shows how Official Washington’s hawks and neocons almost stampeded the United States into another Mideast war under false pretenses, and second, the story’s publication in the London Review of Books reveals how hostile the mainstream U.S. media remains toward information that doesn’t comport with its neocon-dominated conventional wisdom
In other words, it appears that Official Washington and its mainstream press have absorbed few lessons from the disastrous Iraq War, which was launched in 2003 under the false claim that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was planning to share hidden stockpiles of WMD with al-Qaeda, when there was no WMD nor any association between Hussein and al-Qaeda.

A decade later In August and September 2013, as a new war hysteria broke out over Assad allegedly crossing President Barack Obama’s “red line” against using chemical weapons, it fell to a few Internet sites, including our own Consortiumnews.com, to raise questions about the administration’s allegations that pinned the Aug. 21 attack on the Syrian government.

Not only did the U.S. government fail to provide a single piece of verifiable evidence to support its claims, a much-touted “vector analysis” by Human Rights Watch and the New York Times – supposedly tracing the flight paths of two rockets back to a Syrian military base northwest of Damascus – collapsed when it became clear that only one rocket carried Sarin and its range was less than one-third the distance between the army base and the point of impact. That meant the rocket carrying the Sarin appeared to have originated in rebel territory.

There were other reasons to doubt the Obama administration’s casus belli, including the irrationality of Assad ordering a chemical weapons strike outside Damascus just as United Nations inspectors were unpacking at a local hotel with plans to investigate an earlier attack that the Syrian government blamed on the rebels.

Assad would have known that a chemical attack would have diverted the inspectors (as it did) and would force President Obama to declare that his “red line” had been crossed, possibly prompting a massive U.S. retaliatory strike (as it almost did).

Plans for War

Hersh’s article describes how devastating the U.S. aerial bombardment was supposed to be, seeking to destroy Assad’s military capability, which, in turn, could have cleared the way to victory for the Syrian rebels, whose fortunes had been declining.

Hersh wrote: “Under White House pressure, the US attack plan evolved into ‘a monster strike’: two wings of B-52 bombers were shifted to airbases close to Syria, and navy submarines and ships equipped with Tomahawk missiles were deployed.

“‘Every day the target list was getting longer,’ the former intelligence official told me. ‘The Pentagon planners said we can’t use only Tomahawks to strike at Syria’s missile sites because their warheads are buried too far below ground, so the two B-52 air wings with two-thousand pound bombs were assigned to the mission. Then we’ll need standby search-and-rescue teams to recover downed pilots and drones for target selection. It became huge.’

“The new target list was meant to ‘completely eradicate any military capabilities Assad had’, the former intelligence official said. The core targets included electric power grids, oil and gas depots, all known logistic and weapons depots, all known command and control facilities, and all known military and intelligence buildings.”

According to Hersh, the administration’s war plans were disrupted by U.S. and British intelligence analysts who uncovered evidence that the Sarin was likely not released by the Assad government and indications that Turkey’s intelligence services may have collaborated with radical rebels to deploy the Sarin as a false-flag operation.

Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Erdoğan sided with the Syrian opposition early in the civil conflict and provided a vital supply line to the al-Nusra Front, a violent group of Sunni extremists with ties to al-Qaeda and increasingly the dominant rebel fighting force. By 2012, however, internecine conflicts among rebel factions had contributed to Assad’s forces gaining the upper hand.

The role of Islamic radicals – and the fear that advanced U.S. weapons might end up in the hands of al-Qaeda terrorists – unnerved President Obama who pulled back on U.S. covert support for the rebels. That frustrated Erdoğan who pressed Obama to expand U.S. involvement, according to Hersh’s account.

Hersh wrote: “By the end of 2012, it was believed throughout the American intelligence community that the rebels were losing the war. ‘Erdoğan was pissed,’ the former intelligence official said, ‘and felt he was left hanging on the vine. It was his money and the [U.S] cut-off was seen as a betrayal.’”

‘Red Line’ Worries

Recognizing Obama’s political sensitivity over his “red line” pledge, the Turkish government and Syrian rebels saw chemical weapons as the way to force the President’s hand, Hersh reported, writing:

“In spring 2013 US intelligence learned that the Turkish government – through elements of the MIT, its national intelligence agency, and the Gendarmerie, a militarised law-enforcement organisation – was working directly with al-Nusra and its allies to develop a chemical warfare capability.

“‘The MIT was running the political liaison with the rebels, and the Gendarmerie handled military logistics, on-the-scene advice and training – including training in chemical warfare,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘Stepping up Turkey’s role in spring 2013 was seen as the key to its problems there. Erdoğan knew that if he stopped his support of the jihadists it would be all over. The Saudis could not support the war because of logistics – the distances involved and the difficulty of moving weapons and supplies. Erdoğan’s hope was to instigate an event that would force the US to cross the red line. But Obama didn’t respond [to small chemical weapons attacks] in March and April.’”

The dispute between Erdoğan and Obama came to a head at a White House meeting on May 16, 2013, when Erdoğan unsuccessfully lobbied for a broader U.S. military commitment to the rebels, Hersh reported.

Three months later, in the early hours of Aug. 21, a mysterious missile delivered a lethal load of Sarin into a suburb east of Damascus. The Obama administration and the mainstream U.S. press corps immediately jumped to the conclusion that the Syrian government had launched the attack, which the U.S. government claimed killed at least “1,429” people although the number of victims cited by doctors and other witnesses on the scene was much lower.

Yet, with the media stampede underway, anyone who questioned the U.S. government’s case was trampled under charges of being an “Assad apologist.” But we few skeptics continued to point out the lack of evidence to support the rush to war. Obama also encountered political resistance in both the British Parliament and U.S. Congress, but hawks in the U.S. State Department were itching for a new war.

Secretary of State John Kerry delivered a bellicose speech on Aug. 30 amid expectations that the U.S. bombs would start flying within days. But Obama hesitated, first referring the war issue to Congress and later accepting a compromise brokered by Russian President Vladimir Putin to have Assad surrender all of his chemical weapons even as Assad continued denying any role in the Aug. 21 attacks.

Obama took the deal but continued asserting publicly that Assad was guilty and disparaging anyone who thought otherwise. In a formal address to the UN General Assembly on Sept. 24, 2013, Obama declared, “It’s an insult to human reason and to the legitimacy of this institution to suggest that anyone other than the regime carried out this attack.”

Suspicions of Turkey

However, by autumn 2013, U.S. intelligence analysts were among those who had joined in the “insult to human reason” as their doubts about Assad’s guilt grew. Hersh cited an ex-intelligence official saying: “the US intelligence analysts who kept working on the events of 21 August ‘sensed that Syria had not done the gas attack. But the 500 pound gorilla was, how did it happen? The immediate suspect was the Turks, because they had all the pieces to make it happen.’

“As intercepts and other data related to the 21 August attacks were gathered, the intelligence community saw evidence to support its suspicions. ‘We now know it was a covert action planned by Erdoğan’s people to push Obama over the red line,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘They had to escalate to a gas attack in or near Damascus when the UN inspectors’ – who arrived in Damascus on 18 August to investigate the earlier use of gas – ‘were there. The deal was to do something spectacular.

“’Our senior military officers have been told by the DIA and other intelligence assets that the sarin was supplied through Turkey – that it could only have gotten there with Turkish support. The Turks also provided the training in producing the sarin and handling it.’

“Much of the support for that assessment came from the Turks themselves, via intercepted conversations in the immediate aftermath of the attack. ‘Principal evidence came from the Turkish post-attack joy and back-slapping in numerous intercepts. Operations are always so super-secret in the planning but that all flies out the window when it comes to crowing afterwards. There is no greater vulnerability than in the perpetrators claiming credit for success.’”

According to the thinking of Turkish intelligence, Hersh reported, “Erdoğan’s problems in Syria would soon be over: ‘Off goes the gas and Obama will say red line and America is going to attack Syria, or at least that was the idea. But it did not work out that way.’”

Hersh added that the U.S. intelligence community has been reluctant to pass on to Obama the information contradicting the Assad-did-it scenario. Hersh wrote:

“The post-attack intelligence on Turkey did not make its way to the White House. ‘Nobody wants to talk about all this,’ the former intelligence official told me. ‘There is great reluctance to contradict the president, although no all-source intelligence community analysis supported his leap to convict. There has not been one single piece of additional evidence of Syrian involvement in the sarin attack produced by the White House since the bombing raid was called off. My government can’t say anything because we have acted so irresponsibly. And since we blamed Assad, we can’t go back and blame Erdoğan.’”

Like the bloody U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, last year’s near U.S. air war against Syria is a cautionary tale for Americans regarding the dangers that result when the U.S. government and mainstream media dance off hand in hand, leaping to conclusions and laughing at doubters.

The key difference between the war in Iraq and the averted war on Syria was that President Obama was not as eager as his predecessor, George W. Bush, to dress himself up as a “war president.” Another factor was that Obama had the timely assistance of Russian President Putin to chart a course that skirted the abyss.

Given how close the U.S. neocons came to maneuvering a reluctant Obama into another “regime change” war on a Mideast adversary of Israel, you can understand why they are so angry with Putin and why they were so eager to hit back at him in Ukraine. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “What Neocons Want from Ukraine Crisis.”]

Source: http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/06/was-turkey-behind-syrian-sarin-attack/
shahidsheikh
Posted: Saturday, May 3, 2014 6:09:52 AM

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Lets pray & hope for a peaceful Syria. The people dying on both ends are Humans they should be rescued.
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Posted: Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:48:53 PM
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There was a woman arrested attempting to leave Brisbane, Qld airport on her way to Syria over the weekend, in her luggage was a large amount of cash and camoflage clothing.

To promote violence in another country is a very serious crime in Australia, a very roudy crowd of radical muslim people were also at the

airport and extra police were required.

I dont have anymore information at this stage, but I and many Aussies would expect Australian muslim people to protest very strongly against

these people as there are many people of Syrian birth who lead a peaceful life here.
TheParser
Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:48:26 AM
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Homs (the "capital of the revolution") has just fallen to the Syrian army. The rebels have left.

Therefore, some American media are now proclaiming: ASSAD HAS WON THE CIVIL WAR.
Khalid Sami
Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:24:45 PM
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Double veto from Russia and China today.
With Russia and China the world can enjoy some peace.
When Dracula speak about human rights don't ever believe it.
Khalid Sami
Posted: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:59:42 PM
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Teluu Wrote:

Europeans and the US have a hand in what is happening in Syria, they have supported the opposition for years.


This is utterly true.
They make as if they have never been in shop. But in fact they send terrorists, weapons, and money. And let their media spread lies to diabolize Assad.
And then they come to UN Security council to present themselves as protectors of human rights!!!!!
But Russia and China told them yesterday " No use to shed tears, I know who you are very well. So just take off that mask. Show me your teeth! jeez! What's that red thing on them"
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