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Illusory joy is often worth more than genuine sorrow. Options
Daemon
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Illusory joy is often worth more than genuine sorrow.

Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
Kami
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Daemon wrote:
<script>add2all('quote')</script><img align=left width="100" height="106" src="http://img.tfd.com/IOD/descartes.jpg">Illusory joy is often worth more than genuine sorrow.<br><br><a href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Descartes%2c+Ren%e9">Rene Descartes</a> (1596-1650)


I won't agree with you on this. I like to face reality irrespective of its taste.
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Illusory joy is often worth more than genuine sorrow.

Rene Descartes (1596-1650)

I don't believe that it would suffice to seem happy!
No, by any means!
Winnie
Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:44:52 AM
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Daemon wrote:
<script>add2all('quote')</script><img align=left width="100" height="106" src="http://img.tfd.com/IOD/descartes.jpg">Illusory joy is often worth more than genuine sorrow.<br><br><a href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Descartes%2c+Ren%e9">Rene Descartes</a> (1596-1650)


It surely is, unless genuine sorrow leads you to genuine joy, and illusory joy is preventing you from looking for what is genuine.
Joseph Glantz
Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:31:14 AM
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On a similar note I always liked O'Neil's The Iceman Cometh which held that false dreams are better than no dreams
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A lie is a lie no matter what we call it, and it is not good in the long run, and it weakens the spine.Think
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Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:03:06 AM
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Genuine sorrow is crippling unless it leads to better ways and days, and an attitude of joy - deceptive or not, can often blossom into something real. More and more, I think reality begins with a single contagious thought, and I like joyous thoughts more than doom and gloom Shadowlands.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:25:04 PM
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Illusory joy leads to illusory ease of mind, unless it is intended to make a false impression amid adversaries.
Hupomone
Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:42:58 PM
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I bet if I approached strangers with, "Illusory joy really looks good on you," most people would be flattered. I could probably sell them insurance...
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What´s life but a fleeting uncertainty? Therefore I´d rather dwell in a blissful state cause by an illusion than the sheer starkness of a harsh reality that shatters my hopes and robs me of my optimism. Love´s very roots lie in the fact of its mirage-like nature, and who could argue that such a feeling is not the most powerful one?Drool
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Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:32:53 PM
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Joy feeds on itself, whether real or not, and provides a stimulus to action. That allows it to lead easily to genuine joy. Sorrow tends to do exactly the opposite, draining motivation to do anything but mope. A hint of melancholy after making a mistake does have value, as a reminder not to make it again, but no more than that; it's useless to wallow in self-pity.
ardii
Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:21:53 PM
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Any one knows where this quote is excerpted from? Rene Descartes is a great thinker and writer and the comparison between illusory happiness and genuine sorrow is like comparing apples and oranges, but I know Descartes would not commit such a literary error. So there must be a lot to it, before or after or both.

I see a lot of comments on it, all in isolation, like a group of blind men/women trying to describe what an elephant is based on what he/she touches.
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Think This quoted was featured the day before yesterday.
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Chessapprentice wrote:
Think This quoted was featured the day before yesterday.


And the discussion of this quote has been going on ever since.
UserName
Posted: Friday, October 30, 2009 5:01:32 PM
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If ur not happy at all, but u smile anyway, ur smile will trick your mind into thinking that ur happy. Thus, illusory joy. Wah-La!
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Another beaut' from the man who declared "I think therefore I am"Wonderful
fred
Posted: Monday, November 2, 2009 10:25:18 AM
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What the heck is illusory joy?
pedro
Posted: Monday, November 2, 2009 10:35:12 AM
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I assume that illusory joy would refer to some fleeting pleasure but this flatly contradicts his argument in the Meditations for the existence of God. There he posits all sorts of ways in which the meditator can be deceived including evil demons but also the kind of illusory joy he is plugging here. Any Cartesians out there care to expand?
fred
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pedro wrote:
I assume that illusory joy would refer to some fleeting pleasure but this flatly contradicts his argument in the Meditations for the existence of God. There he posits all sorts of ways in which the meditator can be deceived including evil demons but also the kind of illusory joy he is plugging here. Any Cartesians out there care to expand?


I threw away my philosophy books years ago.
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