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Tovarish
Posted: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 8:49:13 PM
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Arn't Politics entertaining?

Sorry, I forgot to say that was for unleaded petrol.
excaelis
Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:59:33 AM

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Do you guys still have the leaded option ? ( just curious )

I've rather enjoyed, in a demoralised sort of way, watching this thread develop. You should all go watch the movie ' Bulworth '.
Ray41
Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 6:52:24 AM

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No ex, we have not had leaded petrol here since about 1996(?).

I am not demoralised by the content of this thread as politics can bring out the worst, and the best, in people.

I am surprised though at the choice of wording for the threadThink

'Obama's speech to black church'. I find this to be rather inflammatory in itself.

Maybe perc did not intend it to be so, but, that is the way it comes across.

I would have the same reaction if it was 'Romney's speech to white church'.
percivalpecksniff
Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:08:52 AM
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Ray. I am not sure, but I stand to be corrected, that there are white churches per se. I was picking up on the headline and they were not my words. It was a black congregation.

Many black folk have a particular way of worshipping. Gospel isn't it? I have often watched them on TV and they are lively occasions.


Tovarish
Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:07:56 AM
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May be the C of E should be a little more lively, might improve the numbers attending.
Klaas V
Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:37:02 AM

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@percival,

There is a small town in Netherlands where not only the church is white, the houses as well. The name is interesting in itself: Thorn

almostfreebird
Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:25:13 AM
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There is a small town in Japan whose name is obama.





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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama is a city in Japan





Klaas V
Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:56:54 AM

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Blooper
Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:19:46 AM
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After million years of oppression. It's a gift from white people. Calling a black person "a black c*nt" is racist, but calling a white "white c*nt" is not racist.
Anti-semitism is a crime, anti-Islam is a freedom of speech/expression. (Just a comparison).
almostfreebird
Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:30:41 AM
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ClubFavolosa wrote:
Weird such an argument as gas prices. $4 for a gallon is a lot less than almost €2 for a liter, the price for it here in Italy. One week ago at some places it was even a cent or 2 more than €2






1 gallon = 3.785 liters
$1 = ¥78(Oct. 2012)


U.S....$4.07 a gallon(2012)

Japan...¥150 a liter(Oct. 2012) ---> $1.923 a litter ---> $7.2788 a gallon




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/gasoline_prices_around_the_world




Romany
Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:59:29 AM
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Blooper,

Where do you get the idea that calling ANYBODY a name which refers to the colour of their skin isn't racist? 'Course it is. My skin is white (well, a sort of yellowishy colour when I'm not tanned brown if one wants to be exact) I've always lived as a minority group in any country I've lived in and believe me, I've had lots of racist names hurled at me.

Racism is racism - seeing someone as different because of the colour of their skin or the shape of their eyes ...and thinking in terms of Them and Us. It's the mark of a stupid person and, unfortunately, there are stupid people in every population group in the world. No-one is immune.
Blooper
Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:23:57 AM
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Well Rom, I actually posted something that I don't agree with. I just think that racist acts/remarks by black people seem more "tolerable" than the opposite.
almostfreebird
Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:24:34 AM
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FounDit
Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:37:17 PM

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Blooper wrote:
Well Rom, I actually posted something that I don't agree with. I just think that racist acts/remarks by black people seem more "tolerable" than the opposite.


It does appear to be that way, Blooper. Black people often refer to one another in racist terms not tolerated by anyone else.

A so-called minister like Louis Farrakan can call people White Devils, and talk about all of them needing to be killed, and hardly an eyebrow is raised, but simply mentioning the color of the President is enough to get a person labeled a racist by some folks.

Those who preach tolerance are often the most intolerant, it seems.
almostfreebird
Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:29:41 PM
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And saying chingchong is not tolerated in the US, which I didn't realise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/O'Donnell said she did not realise


But Cheech & Chong is OK.



Romany
Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 12:21:52 AM
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Blooper: - " I just think that racist acts/remarks by black people seem more "tolerable" than the opposite."

Not when you're on the recieving end, they aren't!

But it has often seemed to me that, in places where this applies, there is an uneasiness about the whole theme of racial relations.

If people REALLY hold convictions about how divisive and harmful it is to bring up people who see things in black and white (yeah, yeah, pun intended)then it is up to them to take a stand. Not, of course a violent stand, but a firm determination to live by one's convictions.

If one is lucky enough to live in a country where respect and certain inalienable rights apply to the whole population, and if, in that country epthets are flung about which denigrate people by applying racial slurs, then simply accepting such instances and muttering about them in private, will contribute to racial divisions which are are condemned by law.

Admittedly, many people use the word 'racism' to apply to all different kinds of intolerance: - cultural, religious, political, societal. And, while I believe these are just as insidious and unacceptable, these kinds of intolerance are so tied up in tangled skiens of Nationalism, Patriotism, religious conviction etc. etc. they are, undeniably, difficult to unravel.

But dividing the world into three major groups of Them and Us based simply upon our inability to order the form in which we emerge from the womb, seems to be to be the most base of all stupidities - because these forms are immutable: - unlike a person's religious or political affiliations. If one chooses to accept these divisions then one is, surely, contributing to the perpetuation of racism?

I have NEVER accepted epithets, unfairness or division directed at me, my children or my race. Nor those directed at others. I've demanded public apologies, fought for re-instatement and equality when necessary, and strongly rejected attempts at being treated differently simply because of my race.

Yet, strangely enough, I have encountered people who have told me that I, MYSELF am racist because of this, because I am Caucasian - a stance I have not, to this day, understood.Surely the idea that one particular racial group does not have the right to stand up and fight division because of race, IS the epitome and illustration of the term 'racism'?





Hope2
Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 1:14:14 AM

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Quote Blooper -


"Anti-semitism is a crime, anti-Islam is a freedom of speech/expression. (Just a comparison). "

Hi Blooper,

This is not true. They are both the same and have to follow the same national rules for being published.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Libel is libel.

And violence is NEVER right.
Hope2
Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:56:14 PM

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Going back to the original accusation about Mrs. Obama - I think what we were all trying to say was that she told them to vote for sure. And it does not matter who was in the audience BECAUSE she did not tell them WHO TO VOTE FOR. She may have been hoping they would vote for her husband. But she also knows that they may have their own ideas.

It has always been perfectly correct to urge people to vote, just not for WHOM to vote.
Maggie
Posted: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:07:58 PM
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Romany wrote:
Blooper,

Where do you get the idea that calling ANYBODY a name which refers to the colour of their skin isn't racist? 'Course it is.


Just because one refers to my color in a derogatory tone doesn't necessarily mean it's a racist remark. It's definitely a RACIAL remark, but the two are entirely different.

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
racist adj. & n.

If one uses the work 'honkie' to refer to me, it's definitely derogatory. It's meaning is:
hon·ky or hon·kie also hon·key (hôngk, hng-)
n. pl. hon·kies also hon·keys Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

But by the true definition of 'racist', the user of the word must also mean it as a reference to an ethnic inferiority.

We've gone overboard in this country in our use of the term 'racist'. Many now use it to refer to anyone who differs in opinion with one who is black. Chris Matthews, A noted newscaster (and I use the word 'newscaster' loosely) has even said that when a white person uses the word 'Chicago', it can be racist.

Here's the citation:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/chris-matthews-says-chicago-is-secret-racist-codeword-video/

Imagine the reverse...........


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