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Tovarish
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:23:02 AM
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Aint as we know is not a word, but for some reason seems to creep into our speach.

Why do people use this word to emphasise their point of view.

Once upon a time it was only used by people with poor education, this does not seem to be the case now, why?
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:38:37 AM
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Actually, Tov, 'ain't' was used by the Upper echelons and, along with other quaint offering such as " 'Pon rep" (On my reputation) and "Gad!" (God!) was once part of the New Speech or upper class slang.

As to it creeping back again to educated language I personally haven't come across this, but if I did I should probably respond with an "Egad!"
Shivanand
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:56:49 AM
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@Tovarish, as a non native speaker, I was never taught the usage of ain't. Till date, I confess, I have not used it in any of my talks, conversations or written prose. Whatever familiarity that I have with this phrase is through books and novels written by the native speakers.

Cheers!
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:39:16 AM

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Bachman Turner Overdrive - You Aint Seen Nothing Yet

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Tovarish
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3:08:53 AM
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The way I have heard it used, seemed to imply the user was getting down and dirty with us common folk.

Didnt know it was as upper echelon speak.
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3:16:54 AM
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Well, we're talking back in the day, girl. Like the 18th century till slightly after WW1. My grandmother (The Horror) still used to use it though. Somehow, with those strangled vowels they used to use, it sounded kinda different to the way yer average okka uses it!
almostfreebird
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 3:50:13 AM
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Ain't She Sweet
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It Ain't Easy
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I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more
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You Ain't Goin' Nowhere
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Yes I'm lonely wanna die If I ain't dead already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fevQPZDyxdk


Had children one two three yes I did yes I did
They sent them away to war Ain't got no kids no more no I ain't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiszYk_0Gfs


I went and told my dad. He said, "Son now here's some little something"
And stuck them on my wall. And now my nights ain't quite so lonely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmkBroiw1s



GabhSigenod
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:41:39 AM

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My mother's sister is Aint Kate.
almostfreebird
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:58:00 AM
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It ain't no use to sit and wonder why, babe
It don't matter, anyhow
An' it ain't no use to sit and wonder why, babe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZPh3hpxLKs



She said hey ramblin’ boy why don’t you settle down
Boston ain’t your kind of town
There ain’t no gold, and there ain’t nobody like me
I’m the number one fan of the man from Tennessee
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almostfreebird
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:19:07 AM
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Well, I'm gonna raise a fuss
I'm gonna raise a holler
'Bout workin' all summer
Just to try to earn a dollar
Well, I went to the boss man
Tried to get a break
But the boss said 'No dice, son,
You gotta work late'

Sometimes I wonder what am I gonna do
'Cause there ain't no cure for the summertime blues


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC4S13jcki4

guitar53
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 8:54:32 AM

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As a native New Yorker... there aint nuthin wrong wit duh word aint.
How ya gonna say 'I aint got no money' without it.
...
Its a colorful coloquialism
martyg
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:08:07 AM
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good enough for gershwin.

"it ain't necessarily so" from 'porgy and bess'
IMcRout
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:33 AM
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Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:22:39 AM

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Don't ask me who started this conversation - It ain't me, Babe.
IMcRout
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:42:41 AM
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It warn't me, neither.
RuthP
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:56:31 PM

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At one point, ain't was a perfectly good contraction for am not.

As long as it was the used only for am not, it was considered proper. When use broadened to all forms of to be (am not, is not, are not), then it fell from official favor and became the mark of someone uneducated (or, more recently, someone making a point). Online Etymology Dictionary: ain't traces this to Cockney usage in the early 19th century and suggests that Dickens' making it widely known lead to the downfall of ain't.

I know I've read stories in which a teacher admonishing a pupil to say ain't (which was correct), not hain't (which wasn't, but I cannot for the life of me remember where. I was probably in grade school at the time. I believe it was an American story. I remember being entranced by the idea ain't had actually once been proper.
FounDit
Posted: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:19:04 PM

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Wahl, 'corse hain't ain't rite. 'Cus a haint is a ghost, that's whut thet is. Ever'body done knowed thet in my neck o' th' wuds.
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