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At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst. Options
Daemon
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At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst.

Aristotle (384 BC-322 BC)
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Aristotle was unaware that civilization(law and justice) could grow to upset, and likely destroy, all of the natural balances of the planet and possibly beyond. Will the creation of "unnessesary nessesities" be our demise? Few men are truly noble.
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Justice is an ideal that man cannot perfect and laws will not create.
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'At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst.'


not one of his most penetrating insights
Marissa La Faye Isolde
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1. Moses received the Torah from [G-d at] Sinai and gave it over to Joshua. Joshua gave it over to the Elders, the Elders to the Prophets, and the Prophets gave it over to the Men of the Great Assembly. They [the Men of the Great Assembly] would always say these three things: Be cautious in judgment. Establish many pupils. And make a safety fence around the Torah.

2. Shimon the Righteous was among the last surviving members of the Great assembly. He would say: The world stands on three things: Torah, the service of G-d, and deeds of kindness.

6. Joshua the son of Perachia and Nitai the Arbelite received from them. Joshua the son of Perachia would say: Assume for yourself a master, acquire for yourself a friend, and judge every man to the side of merit.

8. Judah the son of Tabbai and Shimon the son of Shotach received from them. Judah the son of Tabbai would say: When sitting in judgement, do not act as a counselor-at-law. When the litigants stand before you, consider them both guilty; and when they leave your courtroom, having accepted the judgement, regard them as equally righteous.

12. Hillel and Shammai received from them. Hillel would say: Be of the disciples of Aaron---a lover of peace, a pursuer of peace, one who loves the creatures and draws them close to Torah.

18. Rabbi Shimon the son of Gamliel would say: On three things the world endures: law, truth and peace. As is stated, ``Truth, and a judgement of peace, you should administer at your [city] gates.''

I happened to be reading this the other day and thought it was applicable to today's quote and to the thread about being innocent until proven guilty.






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So man is at his best when exactly?
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When he puts the interests of others above his own... or sacrifices self. Man indeed does have the capacity for nobility.
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hokecro wrote:
Aristotle was unaware that civilization(law and justice) could grow to upset, and likely destroy, all of the natural balances of the planet and possibly beyond. Will the creation of "unnessesary nessesities" be our demise? Few men are truly noble.


Is it possible to get to know Aristotle well enough to make such a judgement?
Is it possible to be so knowledgeable that one can be sure that the Earth is doomed because of the activities of man?
WestCivBuff
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Aristotle, the basis of Western Civilization until 1914. With structure, policy, and progress comes the possibility of mass destruction.
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Law and justice are not, of course, the same thing at all.
jacobusmaximus
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excaelis wrote:
Law and justice are not, of course, the same thing at all.


True, but like rights and duties they are dependent one upon the other.
Marissa La Faye Isolde
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Justice is not arbitrary laws based on the whims of a king or a queen--or for that matter-- a god. Justice is a truth that stands alone above laws. Laws that are created that have to do with justice should help to ensure that justice is possible.

I think there are many instances of noble human beings, and at the very least, human beings that are capable of noble acts. And, I agree with Percival, that the willingness to put others first and the ability for self-sacrifice is a criteria for man's nobility. Especially if it is for the innocent, the weak, the young, the aged, and the sick and suffering; but I also think that living by one's honor is noble. I think one must have a code of honor in this world and wear it like a 'coat of armor'...Or at least try to have.
jacobusmaximus
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WestCivBuff wrote:
Aristotle, the basis of Western Civilization until 1914. With structure, policy, and progress comes the possibility of mass destruction.


Mass destruction has always been a possibility. The Roman army lost 50,000 men in a single battle trying to subdue the Scots. I know you might say that the Romans brought structure, policy and progress to the British Isles and so made mass destruction possible, but it is all relative. Mass destruction often comes from chaos - earthquakes, Tsunamis, floods, droughts. Structure, policy and order could have prevented widespread death and destruction in these cases. They could have prevented, if not the first, certainly the second A-Bombing of Japan.
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