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Hannie
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:07:10 AM

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Hi members!
I'm giving a talk about ideas. Ideas are ended up with a common sense. Therefore, I will give definition of common sense, but first I want to find a good example of common sense. The definition of common sense is "common sense refers to ideas accepted by the majority of the population which guide everyday behavior. Common sense can vary widely overtime and place and have a dramatic impact upon how people live their lives."
Thereefore, I was trying to find a good example questions before I start my talk. Could you please advise and suggest me. Thanks.
H
thar
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:21:31 AM

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sorry, not an example, but I would query your definition of common sense.

I would say it is nothing to do with what most people think, it is to do with the simple, logical solution to a problem.

(common, here, means simple, I think, not communal)

ie the truck is stuck under the bridge. The fire service want to cut up the truck, the army want to blow up the bridge, and the police want to pull it out with a bulldozer. The child suggests letting the air out of the tyres to free it. That is common sense.

Sometimes things get very complicated with political theories and ideologies. When communism collapsed and people started selling for themselves, they would set a price for their goods. If a farmer had a batch of milk, and set a price and nobody bought it, then that was stupid. They were used to the old ways of fixed prices. The smarter farmer reduced their price, so someone bought it and it they got some money before their mild was all spoiled. That is common sense.

If you do mean some commonly accepted ideology, you will have to use another word for it. Paradigm, maybe. Common sense is already taken, to mean simple, logical intelligence!

edit - consensus, is that what you mean? (just a fancy Latin way of saying 'common' 'sense' - it means a commonly accepted belief, mainstream, majority agreement, normally reached through debate and time.
GeorgeV
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:36:55 AM
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thar - Off topic
When the farmer set a price , it was a fixed price. Had his sign stated: 1.25 or 1.50, whichever you like, the customers indeed would have debated how much to pay, until the milk went bad. Maybe the farmer's price was the highest in the vicinity, that's why there were no buyers.
Hannie
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:42:34 AM

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Thank you Thar for your quick reply.
But according to my book it defines common sense as I wrote down. I will recite the book paragraph down.

"Ideas are thoughts or mental pictures about how the world works. The broad category of ideas includes a number of overlapping elements of thought. One variant is 'world view'. People adopt world views which contain assumptions about the forces that drive human nature and what constitutes appropriate action. Such a world view also can be referred as ideology, ideas inspired by a set of principles which then guide human action in diverse situations. Ideologies are usually associated with large-scale political projects such as communism, fascism, socialism, conservativism, libertarianism. However, world views are also embedded in what people accept as 'common sense'. Common sense refers to ideas accepted by the majority of the population which guide everyday behavior.
The category of ideas includes a number of related words that signify mental images in different forms. The term '' information'' refers to news, data, facts or intelligence material."

So, from this paragraph, for my talk, I will start with emphasizing common sense before I talk about ideas. Right?
Thanks,
H



thar wrote:
sorry, not an example, but I would query your definition of common sense.

I would say it is nothing to do with what most people think, it is to do with the simple, logical solution to a problem.

(common, here, means simple, I think, not communal)

ie the truck is stuck under the bridge. The fire service want to cut up the truck, the army want to blow up the bridge, and the police want to pull it out with a bulldozer. The child suggests letting the air out of the tyres to free it. That is common sense.

Sometimes things get very complicated with political theories and ideologies. When communism collapsed and people started selling for themselves, they would set a price for their goods. If a farmer had a batch of milk, and set a price and nobody bought it, then that was stupid. They were used to the old ways of fixed prices. The smarter farmer reduced their price, so someone bought it and it they got some money before their mild was all spoiled. That is common sense.

If you do mean some commonly accepted ideology, you will have to use another word for it. Paradigm, maybe. Common sense is already taken, to mean simple, logical intelligence!

thar
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:58:02 AM

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Hmmm, I am surprised the book says that. You can have a common sense of something. eg a common sense of identity (eg we are all Mongolian) or a common sense of purpose (we will all work together to win this war, etc) but I would argue against this use of 'common sense' on its own. But, so long as your audience understand what you mean, that is not the important point.

Political radicals would argue that starting off with the commonly accepted view is why nothing ever really changes! Some thought is so different from the status quo that it advocates violent revolution, peace drugs and free love, or waiting for aliens to arrive. The majority find these ideas so incomprehensible and dangerous that their proponents tend to end up executed, in prison, or in psychiatric hospital. And thus the commonly accepted truths go on....

(sorry, I am just being a bit facetious there). Yes, I would agree that with any talk it is always best to start with basics and lay a foundation before you move off into specific areas of thought.
Hannie
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:14:57 AM

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Thank you,
yeah, but I hope by choosing "common sense" can relate my subject when I start with, because I want my talk more intersting and alive. Then, I still need example questions. I was thinking about how students supposed to do their homework since they chose to study and noone forced, its common sense that students supposed to study hard and do their homework/ What do you think?

thar wrote:
Hmmm, I am surprised the book says that. You can have a common sense of something. eg a common sense of identity (eg we are all Mongolian) or a common sense of purpose (we will all work together to win this war, etc) but I would argue against this use of 'common sense' on its own. But, so long as your audience understand what you mean, that is not the important point.

Political radicals would argue that starting off with the commonly accepted view is why nothing ever really changes! Some thought is so different from the status quo that it advocates violent revolution, peace drugs and free love, or waiting for aliens to arrive. The majority find these ideas so incomprehensible and dangerous that their proponents tend to end up executed, in prison, or in psychiatric hospital. And thus the commonly accepted truths go on....

(sorry, I am just being a bit facetious there). Yes, I would agree that with any talk it is always best to start with basics and lay a foundation before you move off into specific areas of thought.
FounDit
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:54:30 AM

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Common sense is really the opposite of stupidity, although stupidity is quite common also. The two often run a tight race.

My definition of common sense is one that says it is a decision reached by any reasonable person in any given situation.

For example: A person should not attempt to run across a busy street without first looking out for traffic.

A person should not jump into deep water if they do not know how to swim.

You don't point a gun at your own head and pull the trigger without first checking to see if it is loaded.

These and others like them would be common sense to my way of thinking.



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Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 12:20:25 PM

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HANNIE: NOT ORIGINAL : From my net scrap book:


Common Sense
In Memorium

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend by the name of Common Sense.
No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated valued lessons such as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not kids, are in charge). His health began to rapidly deteriorate when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Finally, Common sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense finally gave up the ghost after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, spilled a bit in her lap, and was awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers; My Rights and Ima Whiner. Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
Hope1
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 12:43:52 PM
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Hannie,

(Well done, Articulate Dreamer. Lots of good examples in that piece. I was composing mine while you posted and now mine does not seem so great, but I will post anyhow.)

KNOWLEDGE + COMMON SENSE = WISDOM
KNOWLEDGE - COMMON SENSE = NONSENSE
http://www.organicmd.org/commonsense.html

Common sense definitions from dictionaries - 1.Sound, practical judgment.
2. Prudence based on simple perception of facts or the situation

A lot of communal knowledge i.e. everybody thinks that way, is definitely not always correct nor is it always good common sense.
My mother used to say 'if so and so jumps off a bridge, you do not need to do the same'. However, see below.

Here are some quotes from
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/common-sense

“Common sense is not so common.”
― Voltaire, A Pocket Philosophical Dictionary

“Common sense is seeing things as they are; and doing things as they ought to be.”
― Harriet Beecher Stowe

“Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ”
― W.C. Fields

“Common sense is the most widely shared commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it.”
― René Descartes

I like this quote from your book and then you can expand on it.
"Common sense refers to ideas accepted by the majority of the population which guide everyday behavior."

But, If you rely COMPLETELY upon the book as quoted for your speech without broadening it to INCLUDE what others have already told you here in this thread, you would not be using common sense, in MY judgment. The quote is correct that most of us would agree it is not a good idea to put your hand on a hot stove etc. So, I might start with that definition and then include the rest of the ideas here. I would try to keep the definition brief and not quote all the dry philosophy in the quote you gave us., although it explains your 'Ideas' theme. Just put it into your own words. Also, if you want common sense as an introduction to 'Ideas' I would not take too long on 'common sense' either. However, I am not too sure where you are planning to go after the 'common sense' introduction. Genius as one thread?

Foundit gave you some good examples already and if you can expand on the homework idea and other examples to connect with the worldview of students, your speech will go over just fine.

It has been a while since I was a student but -

Not wearing four inch heels on a hike, wearing warm clothes in winter despite the fashion, taking an umbrella when the forecast is for rain, not texting (or phoning, eating, reading etc.) while driving, obeying the driving rules, not walking down a busy street in Toronto while on the phone, (you will get mugged for your phone), eating properly, getting enough sleep, not drinking (smoking, eating, etc.) to excess, practising safe sex, not flashing money or expensive objects around, limiting your hours online, using your own ideas to invent Facebook, Google, or whatever. Is the last one common sense or genius?

Usually common sense has a positive connotation, but a couple of quotes I saw from geniuses decried it.

Add your own ideas here, Hannie.

Hope all our posts helped. Let us know.
Hannie
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:07:48 PM

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Thank you members all your inputs that helped me think me a lot. It is very helpful when you provide extra links and share your thoughts about the topic. I want my talk very interesting. especialy first 10 second, I want to capture student's attention, so starting with common sense question would be good and then continue my main talk "idea".
Hannie
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:10:15 PM

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Thanks Hope1,
Awesome links and thoughts you shared. i enjoyed the links u provided. I appreciate your time for sharing and writing all those things for my successful talk :-))
Hope1 wrote:
Hannie,

(Well done, Articulate Dreamer. Lots of good examples in that piece. I was composing mine while you posted and now mine does not seem so great, but I will post anyhow.)

KNOWLEDGE + COMMON SENSE = WISDOM
KNOWLEDGE - COMMON SENSE = NONSENSE
http://www.organicmd.org/commonsense.html

Common sense definitions from dictionaries - 1.Sound, practical judgment.
2. Prudence based on simple perception of facts or the situation

A lot of communal knowledge i.e. everybody thinks that way, is definitely not always correct nor is it always good common sense.
My mother used to say 'if so and so jumps off a bridge, you do not need to do the same'. However, see below.

Here are some quotes from
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/common-sense

“Common sense is not so common.”
― Voltaire, A Pocket Philosophical Dictionary

“Common sense is seeing things as they are; and doing things as they ought to be.”
― Harriet Beecher Stowe

“Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ”
― W.C. Fields

“Common sense is the most widely shared commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it.”
― René Descartes

I like this quote from your book and then you can expand on it.
"Common sense refers to ideas accepted by the majority of the population which guide everyday behavior."

But, If you rely COMPLETELY upon the book as quoted for your speech without broadening it to INCLUDE what others have already told you here in this thread, you would not be using common sense, in MY judgment. The quote is correct that most of us would agree it is not a good idea to put your hand on a hot stove etc. So, I might start with that definition and then include the rest of the ideas here. I would try to keep the definition brief and not quote all the dry philosophy in the quote you gave us., although it explains your 'Ideas' theme. Just put it into your own words. Also, if you want common sense as an introduction to 'Ideas' I would not take too long on 'common sense' either. However, I am not too sure where you are planning to go after the 'common sense' introduction. Genius as one thread?

Foundit gave you some good examples already and if you can expand on the homework idea and other examples to connect with the worldview of students, your speech will go over just fine.

It has been a while since I was a student but -

Not wearing four inch heels on a hike, wearing warm clothes in winter despite the fashion, taking an umbrella when the forecast is for rain, not texting (or phoning, eating, reading etc.) while driving, obeying the driving rules, not walking down a busy street in Toronto while on the phone, (you will get mugged for your phone), eating properly, getting enough sleep, not drinking (smoking, eating, etc.) to excess, practising safe sex, not flashing money or expensive objects around, limiting your hours online, using your own ideas to invent Facebook, Google, or whatever. Is the last one common sense or genius?

Usually common sense has a positive connotation, but a couple of quotes I saw from geniuses decried it.

Add your own ideas here, Hannie.

Hope all our posts helped. Let us know.
Hannie
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:14:01 PM

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Dear Articulate dreamer,
thanks so much for your thoughtful examples you shared. I appreciate it so much. It is so interesting everyone shares stunning examples and thoughts.

Articulate Dreamer wrote:
HANNIE: NOT ORIGINAL : From my net scrap book:


Common Sense
In Memorium

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend by the name of Common Sense.
No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated valued lessons such as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not kids, are in charge). His health began to rapidly deteriorate when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Finally, Common sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense finally gave up the ghost after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, spilled a bit in her lap, and was awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers; My Rights and Ima Whiner. Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
Hannie
Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:15:11 PM

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Thanks dear Foundit for your good examples. I really appreciate your time and good will.

FounDit wrote:

Common sense is really the opposite of stupidity, although stupidity is quite common also. The two often run a tight race.

My definition of common sense is one that says it is a decision reached by any reasonable person in any given situation.

For example: A person should not attempt to run across a busy street without first looking out for traffic.

A person should not jump into deep water if they do not know how to swim.

You don't point a gun at your own head and pull the trigger without first checking to see if it is loaded.

These and others like them would be common sense to my way of thinking.



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Hannie,

Thanks for the positive comments. It is always gratifying to know that we are helpful.

You are going to 'knock 'em dead'! :-)
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Common sense is not so common.

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If I was giving this topic to students, I would start by asking each student to think of one example of something they do where they don't use common sense. You could end up a good debate.
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By the way, did you put this topic in politics for a reason?
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dingdong wrote:
By the way, did you put this topic in politics for a reason?


Politics is severly suffering from the lack of common sense, we should appreciat such surgical supplyWhistle
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common sense
Just replace 'common' with 'natural' and you will find the definition of the 'common sense'.
Any action or reaction done in a natural way is done using common sense.
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Jeech wrote:
dingdong wrote:
By the way, did you put this topic in politics for a reason?


Politics is severly suffering from the lack of common sense, we should appreciat such surgical supplyWhistle





Why are you deliberately misspelling? That's not funny.




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almostfreebird wrote:
Jeech wrote:
dingdong wrote:
By the way, did you put this topic in politics for a reason?


Politics is severly suffering from the lack of common sense, we should appreciat such surgical supplyWhistle





Why are you deliberately misspelling? That's not funny.







Beleive it or not, I never intended to mispell for fun. I though, do expect your forgiveness in advance.

BTW, it's really fun to know that it "was not a fun."
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