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Rondnelly
Posted: Saturday, July 4, 2009 7:42:24 PM
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Hi peeps
Could you tell me which one is right? Belong in or Belong to.
I recently saw this sentence:
Die Monster! You don't belong in this world!
But, I have never read/heard "belong in" before... I looked up "Belong" on www.thefreedictionary.com, and i got this definition:
belong
Verb
1. (foll. by to)to be the property of
2. (foll. by to)to be bound to (a person, organization, etc.) by ties of affection, association, membership, etc.: the nations concerned belonged to NATO
3. (foll. by to, under, with)etc. to be classified with: it belongs to a different class of comets
4. (foll. by to)to be a part of: this lid belongs to that tin
5. to have a proper or usual place
6. Informal to be acceptable, esp. socially [Middle English belongen]


So, I ask You:
Is "Die Monster! You don't belong in this world!" Right?
Whether yes, It has the same meaning that "[...] belong to this world"?
Thanks in advance.
grammargeek
Posted: Saturday, July 4, 2009 8:00:18 PM
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Die Monster! You don't belong in this world!

What you have written here does make sense. I think it's just a matter of what specific meaning you are trying to convey.

To say, "You don't belong in this world," means that the monster must die because the world does not have any use for monsters.

To say, "You don't belong to this world," means that the monster is other-worldly, perhaps an alien monster from another planet. In less concrete terms, it could mean the monster is from a very dark or hellish place.
Rondnelly
Posted: Saturday, July 4, 2009 8:25:48 PM
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Didn't get it yet.
But thanks for replying my question.
Gotta keep searching for clearer examples.
Thanks!
Romany
Posted: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:38:42 PM
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Rondnelly - Unsure if I can clarify either but: if you look at your given examples you will see that 4 of them connect with the verb "to be". and are part of the possessive: e.g. "This lid belongs to - or is part of - that container." "I belong to - or am part of - The August Company of the Spagetti Monster". However, items 5 & 6 are what you are looking for. Item 5 shows that "belong" can refer to time and place i.e. can be used spatially: - "A square peg does not belong in a round hole", while 6 explains that the word can be used informally or intransitively e.g. "I always feel like an outsider. Like I just don't belong."
I don't know if you've ever heard a group of smartarse kids singing the paradoy to the birthday song: "Happy Birthday to You/ You belong IN a zoo/ In a cage with the monkeys,/ 'Cos you look like one too". But that context is the one which sprang to mind immediately upon reading your question!! Does any of this help at all?
Rondnelly
Posted: Sunday, July 5, 2009 12:05:04 AM
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Romany wrote:
Rondnelly - Unsure if I can clarify either but: if you look at your given examples you will see that 4 of them connect with the verb "to be". and are part of the possessive: e.g. "This lid belongs to - or is part of - that container." "I belong to - or am part of - The August Company of the Spagetti Monster". However, items 5 & 6 are what you are looking for. Item 5 shows that "belong" can refer to time and place i.e. can be used spatially: - "A square peg does not belong in a round hole", while 6 explains that the word can be used informally or intransitively e.g. "I always feel like an outsider. Like I just don't belong."
I don't know if you've ever heard a group of smartarse kids singing the paradoy to the birthday song: "Happy Birthday to You/ You belong IN a zoo/ In a cage with the monkeys,/ 'Cos you look like one too". But that context is the one which sprang to mind immediately upon reading your question!! Does any of this help at all?


Surely it helped!
Thanks A LOT!
Now It's clear.

Thanks to Romany and Grammargeek for explaining it me.
Christine
Posted: Sunday, July 5, 2009 10:58:36 AM
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Is "Die Monster! You don't belong in this world!" Right?

yes

Rondnelly
Posted: Sunday, July 5, 2009 11:36:21 AM
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Thanks, Christine!
grammargeek
Posted: Sunday, July 5, 2009 12:21:25 PM
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I'm glad Romany could clear up what I could not, but thanks for the "thanks" anyway!
Rondnelly
Posted: Sunday, July 5, 2009 1:46:21 PM
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Romany
Posted: Sunday, July 5, 2009 8:55:19 PM
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No wukkas. And, while I would love to take a look at your blog I'm afraid that the Chinese firewall has made access to all blogs (including my own) impossible to us here in China.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, July 5, 2009 8:57:10 PM
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Wooops! I'm so sorry. I wasn't thinking: "No wukkas" is Australian slang for "No worries". I had just been talking to a friend on Skype and that was the last thing they said to me so I used it without thinking. Apologies.
Rondnelly
Posted: Monday, July 6, 2009 11:08:19 AM
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Ooh, no problems... Man, i hate that thing... blocking blogs and such... It's so... [no words]
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:58:41 AM
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Blockheaded?
fred
Posted: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:13:59 AM
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Both can used but have slightly different meanings.

Belong in this world could mean physically.

Belong to this world could mean spiritually, mentally, philosophically, etc.

Belong to may have been used more often in the 1800's and early 1900's to mean belong in.


Belong to can also mean a master/slave relationship.

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