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SwanIntheSky
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:46:35 AM
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Hello everybody on this forum! How are you all out here?
Tell me , please , how to say correclly this phrase in other words-"Tarzan from the apes" or "Ape's Tarzan"? (or someway else?)Thank you.
NancyUK
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:01:53 AM
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"Tarzan of the Apes" is a title - I don't think you can change it around.

It is a bit like, perhaps, Attila the Hun - you wouldn't try to change that to the Hun Attila.
SwanIntheSky
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:10:34 AM
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NancyUK wrote:
"Tarzan of the Apes" is a title - I don't think you can change it around.

It is a bit like, perhaps, Attila the Hun - you wouldn't try to change that to the Hun Attila.
\I know it is a title. I didn't say i wanted to change it around Anxious . I would like to know the most close phrase to that one. I try to learn English.
thar
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:16:42 AM

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here the 'of' is belonging to the group. 'Of' has loads of usages, not just the possessives.

not possessive 'of' or from

Tarzan is from the jungle
he is the chimp's friend

but he is of the apes

like
I am of the human race

look up a listing of 'of' (eg on tfd) and see all the different uses, and find the one that fits closest to this.

there is really no other way of saying this, using Tarzan OF the apes is the cleanest way to say it.

SwanIntheSky
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:41:49 AM
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thar wrote:



In other words it is impossible to say " He is from this group ( Group of apes)?
"He can be only from some place (wood or forest or jungle?)
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:51:57 AM

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You could be:

Swan of skies
Swan of the Lake
Swan of the birds

You sort of represent a place or a group you are from.
thar
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:51:58 AM

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Last of the Mohicans!
jcbarros
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:58:02 AM

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Tarzan´s mistress, Cheeta.
jmacann
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:19:55 AM
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Some other cases take "in"/"on" instead of "of" -"last in/on the line".
excaelis
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You could say he is ' from group X ' but it doesn't sound pleasing to a native ear so is probably best avoided.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 12:22:35 PM

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Sargent Preston of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
contracted to
Sargent Preston of the Mounties
SwanIntheSky
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:23:28 PM
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
You could be:


Swan of the Lake

Can Swan of the lake be from the sky?
can Tarzan of the apes be from the tree?
RubyMoon
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 3:27:04 PM
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Yes.
mailady
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hooboy.....
Jyrkkä Jätkä
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Can SwanIntheSky come from nowhere?
PJL
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:58:45 PM
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As I recall from long, long ago, he was somehow lost in the jungle as a young man and raised by a group of apes so that he later identified with being part of the apes' family rather than thinking of himself as part of the human race.








saintvivant
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PJL is right. Tarzan is John Clayton's "APE" name in the story by Edgar Rice Burroughs. Tarzan means white-skinned in Ape speak. Tarzan was reered by the Apes.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
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Carrot Ironfoundersson of the Dwarfs
Carrot Ironfoundersson of the City Watch
Carrot Ironfoundersson of the Discworld

His dwarfish name is Kzad-bhat, "Head Banger".
excaelis
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guitar53 wrote:
Sargent Preston of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
contracted to
Sargent Preston of the Mounties



' Woof !'

' Down, King !!'

' Woof !'

Awesome scriptwriting !
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I like Lord Vetinary personally but here is Captain Carrot Ironfoundersson of the Dwarfs


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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
Can SwanIntheSky come from nowhere?


JJ,you seem to have struck a nerve.
RubyMoon
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^^^Snarky Snake^^^ (I made it up)
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http://youtu.be/TNHmTLbi9bk
excaelis
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OMG ! Is that Christophe Lambert ?

' Woof !"

" It's a kinda magic..."

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SwanIntheSky
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Hello! Does someone know what the phrase "both sides" means in the sentence,"Both sides cursing and swearing in a frightful manner,the savage men turned the deck to the likeness of a madhouse!"? I think they mean; "right and left".
Or it is two different hostile parties?
Jyrkkä Jätkä
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Both sides means any opposite sides, two sides of the paper, left and right side of the street, cowboys and sheep farmers, bad guys and good guys...
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Both Sides Now

青春の光と影


FounDit
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Sergeant Preston and King!

Man, that's a memory with dust bunnies on it. Right up there with Sky King and Hop-a-long Cassidy.

Umm...my father told me about all those. I really don't remember them myself, you understand. Huh, uh.
Julya
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SwanIntheSky wrote:
Hello! Does someone know what the phrase "both sides" means in the sentence,"Both sides cursing and swearing in a frightful manner,the savage men turned the deck to the likeness of a madhouse!"? I think they mean; "right and left".
Or it is two different hostile parties?

Cursing on left and right?(Раздавая проклятия налево и направо?)Think
Drag0nspeaker
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"Right and left" means "everywhere".
'She owes money right and left' - there are a lot of people to whom she owes money.
Julya
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
"Right and left" means "everywhere".
'She owes money right and left' - there are a lot of people to whom she owes money.

Hi,drag. That's what I meant. We also have the term"right and left" in this sense. (He spends his money left and right.)Whistle Could " both sides" mean "right and left" in the swan's sentence?
Drag0nspeaker
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I don't think so - the author seems to be describing a fight of some sort on a ship where "both sides", the two opposing groups, were shouting and swearing at each other.
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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
I don't think so - the author seems to be describing a fight of some sort on a ship where "both sides", the two opposing groups, were shouting and swearing at each other.

So,how then to say this sentence in other words? The phrase "Both sides cursing and swearing in a frightful manner" has noun (subject) "both sides" and two participles,not finite verbs. I often meet such construction in the sentences. But mot always can correctly to translate it.It is the Nominate Absolute Participle Construction. (or Absolute Phrase
http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/absolutephrase.htm)
If the phrase "two men"(captain and his opponent) was there instead of "both sides"...d'oh! I would say it like that:
"While they both cursing and swearing in a frightful manner,the savage men turned the deck to the likeness of a madhouse!" But in this sentence "both side" and "savage men" are the same, so I can't understand the interpretation...
Drag0nspeaker
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Yes, this does seem to fit the definition you gave in your link, "Absolute Phrase". The examples with the definition all show the noun of the 'absolute phrase' being only part of the main noun (the dog's legs, the professor's arms, our fingers), but it does not say that both nouns cannot be the same thing. As you say, "Both sides" is the same as "The savage men".

"Both sides cursing and swearing in a frightful manner, the savage men turned the deck to the likeness of a madhouse!"

You could say "The voices of both sides cursing and swearing in a frightful manner, the savage men turned the deck to the likeness of a madhouse!" - but that is unnecessary, as they wouldn't curse and swear with anything else.

To say it another way is probably simplest in two sentences (though it does not sound so good).

"The savage men on both sides cursed and swore in a frightful manner. They turned the deck into the likeness of a madhouse."

The Absolute phrase in the original describes how "They turned the deck into the likeness of a madhouse."

Your construction (using 'while') could be:
"While they were all cursing and swearing in a frightful manner, the savage men turned the deck to the likeness of a madhouse!" or
"The savage men turned the deck to the likeness of a madhouse, while they were all cursing and swearing in a frightful manner!"

I cannot find "Nominate Absolute Participle Construction" anywhere. The only definition of "Nominate" in my dictionaries is something in politics, not grammar.
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