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raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Friday, November 19, 2021 3:13:24 PM
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Hi,

Is "hadn't planned to buy" properly used in the following?

If John tries to sell you something you hadn't planned to buy, say "No, thanks."


I'd appreciate your help.
tautophile
Posted: Friday, November 19, 2021 4:04:58 PM
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Yes, it's fine. You could also say "you don't want to buy" or "you didn't plan to buy", etc., but "hadn't planned to buy" is perfectly OK.
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Posted: Friday, November 19, 2021 9:46:49 PM
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raymondaliasapollyon wrote:
If John tries to sell you something you hadn't planned to buy, say "No, thanks."

It is OK in informal English, but strictly speaking it should be:

If John tries to sell you something you haven't planned to buy, say "No, thanks".
raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:20:14 PM
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I'm investigating a special use of the past perfect. Is the following equally okay? I have a hunch that it is not as okay as the OP sentence.



Beware of John. If he tries to share with you the essay he had written, just say "No, thanks."
sureshot
Posted: Saturday, November 20, 2021 12:23:03 AM
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raymondaliasapollyon wrote:
I'm investigating a special use of the past perfect. Is the following equally okay? I have a hunch that it is not as okay as the OP sentence.



Beware of John. If he tries to share with you the essay he had written, just say "No, thanks."

_________

I would use "... the essay he wrote... ". The text is in simple present. An event prior to such an event should be in simple past.
Audiendus
Posted: Saturday, November 20, 2021 12:35:38 AM
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Audiendus wrote:
raymondaliasapollyon wrote:
If John tries to sell you something you hadn't planned to buy, say "No, thanks."

It is OK in informal English, but strictly speaking it should be:

If John tries to sell you something you haven't planned to buy, say "No, thanks".

Or: something you didn't plan to buy.
raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Saturday, November 20, 2021 12:57:09 AM
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Audiendus wrote:
Audiendus wrote:
raymondaliasapollyon wrote:
If John tries to sell you something you hadn't planned to buy, say "No, thanks."

It is OK in informal English, but strictly speaking it should be:

If John tries to sell you something you haven't planned to buy, say "No, thanks".

Or: something you didn't plan to buy.


Thank you. What about the following example? Do you think "had written" is still okay?


Beware of John. If he tries to share with you the essay he had written, just say "No, thanks."

Audiendus
Posted: Saturday, November 20, 2021 2:09:42 AM
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raymondaliasapollyon wrote:
What about the following example? Do you think "had written" is still okay?

Beware of John. If he tries to share with you the essay he had written, just say "No, thanks."

No, I would change it to "he has written" or "he wrote".
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