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Koh Elaine
Posted: Monday, July 19, 2021 3:24:30 PM
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In fact, it was reported on Friday that the police have arrested 29 women of various nationalities, aged between 20 and 47, in an operation targeting pivoted KTVs, of which 10 of them will be deported as their short-term visit passes and work passes were cancelled.

Is "of which" correct?

Thanks!
FounDit
Posted: Monday, July 19, 2021 3:27:54 PM

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Koh Elaine wrote:
In fact, it was reported on Friday that the police have arrested 29 women of various nationalities, aged between 20 and 47, in an operation targeting pivoted KTVs, of which 10 of them will be deported as their short-term visit passes and work passes were cancelled.

Is "of which" correct?

Thanks!


Yes, it's fine. There are 29 women, 10 of which (10 of the 29) will be deported.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Monday, July 19, 2021 4:02:49 PM

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A bit clumsy said, anyhow. There are two dependent sentences, and a determining phrase between those "29 women" and "of which", which makes you to read back the whole thing just to remind what the "of which" refers to.

Try:

In fact, it was reported on Friday that the police have arrested 29 women of various nationalities, aged between 20 and 47, in an operation targeting pivoted KTVs. Ten of these women will be deported as their short-term visit passes and work passes were cancelled.
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No, it isn't quite right. People are who and whom. Things are which.

Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, July 19, 2021 8:27:14 PM

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Wilmar's right - it has to be "ten of whom", but there are also other issues.

Original: In fact, it was reported on Friday that the police have arrested 29 women of various nationalities, aged between 20 and 47, in an operation targeting pivoted KTVs, of which 10 of them will be deported as their short-term visit passes and work passes were cancelled.

Firstly, it's normal style to type words, not numbers, (below 100) so "twenty-nine", not "29" - and the same for the other numbers.

Secondly "of which" or "of whom" always refers to the noun-phrase just before it. So "KTVs, of which ten" - means that ten of the KTVs, not ten of the women.

Thirdly, when you use "of which/whom ten . . ." in this way, you don't need "of them".

So - In fact, it was reported on Friday that the police have, in an operation targeting pivoted KTVs, arrested twenty-nine women of various nationalities, aged between twenty and forty-seven, of whom ten will be deported as their short-term visit passes and work passes were cancelled.

JJ's version is also OK, because he avoided the errors in his paraphrase.
FounDit
Posted: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 11:36:12 AM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Wilmar's right - it has to be "ten of whom", but there are also other issues.

Original: In fact, it was reported on Friday that the police have arrested 29 women of various nationalities, aged between 20 and 47, in an operation targeting pivoted KTVs, of which 10 of them will be deported as their short-term visit passes and work passes were cancelled.

Firstly, it's normal style to type words, not numbers, (below 100) so "twenty-nine", not "29" - and the same for the other numbers.

Secondly "of which" or "of whom" always refers to the noun-phrase just before it. So "KTVs, of which ten" - means that ten of the KTVs, not ten of the women.

Thirdly, when you use "of which/whom ten . . ." in this way, you don't need "of them".

So - In fact, it was reported on Friday that the police have, in an operation targeting pivoted KTVs, arrested twenty-nine women of various nationalities, aged between twenty and forty-seven, of whom ten will be deported as their short-term visit passes and work passes were cancelled.

JJ's version is also OK, because he avoided the errors in his paraphrase.


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Koh Elaine
Posted: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 5:14:07 PM
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Wilmar (USA) 1M wrote:
No, it isn't quite right. People are who and whom. Things are which.


Thanks, Wilmar.

Please elaborate. Is the suggestion correct?
georgew
Posted: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 11:16:17 PM

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Wilmar (USA) 1M wrote:
No, it isn't quite right. People are who and whom. Things are which.



Correct. Thank you!

The One And Only Emily👩🏽‍⚕️
Posted: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 2:33:41 PM

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Wilmar (USA) 1M wrote:
No, it isn't quite right. People are who and whom. Things are which.



Um, actually it isn't talking about items. Otherwise it would end up like this: 'Of who 10 of them' or 'Of whom 10 of them'. I'm sticking with 'Of which 10 of them' and what FounDit said.
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Posted: Thursday, July 22, 2021 2:29:50 AM
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The One And Only Emily wrote:
I'm sticking with 'Of which 10 of them' and what FounDit said.

No, it is wrong to use "of..." twice.
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