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raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Thursday, July 8, 2021 8:41:50 PM
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Hi,

Is there any difference between the following sentences?

a. Migrant workers are occasionally abused.

b. Migrant workers are occasionally subject to abuse.

I'd appreciate your help.
Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, July 9, 2021 2:24:51 AM

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Semantically they mean the same.

TFD:

subject to
1. liable or likely to suffer from or be affected by. He is subject to colds; The programme is subject to alteration.
raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Friday, July 9, 2021 12:29:48 PM
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Note the modificational scope of "occasionally."
If being subject to something is a tendency, it follows that being occasionally subject to abuse means the tendency varies sometimes. That does not seem to be the meaning of "be occasionally abused." The tendency does not vary.

Jyrkkä Jätkä
Posted: Friday, July 9, 2021 1:07:49 PM

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Occasionally means those people were not abused all the time. Just every other day. Or something.
FounDit
Posted: Friday, July 9, 2021 7:58:29 PM

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raymondaliasapollyon wrote:
Hi,

Is there any difference between the following sentences?

a. Migrant workers are occasionally abused.

b. Migrant workers are occasionally subject to abuse.

I'd appreciate your help.

I see them as being the same.
raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Friday, July 9, 2021 8:33:25 PM
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
Occasionally means those people were not abused all the time. Just every other day. Or something.



Consider the definition of "subject" as an adjecive and the addition of "occasionally":

liable or likely to suffer from or be affected by

Migrant workers are occasionally likely to suffer from abuse.

This menas sometimes they are likely to suffer from abuse; sometimes, they are NOT likely to suffer from abuse.
In other words, the tendency sometimes exists, but other times it doesn't. It doesn't seem to mean the same as "Migrant workers are occasionally abused."

Contrast this with versions viewed as more natural by some people:

Migrant workers are likely to suffer from occasional abuse.
Migrant workers are subject to occasional abuse.


Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Saturday, July 10, 2021 5:45:53 PM

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"Likely to suffer from" is not a synonym of "subject to". It is ONE of the definitions.

subject adj
2. Prone; disposed: a child who is subject to colds.
3. Likely to incur or receive; exposed: a directive subject to misinterpretation.
13. showing a tendency (towards): a child subject to indiscipline.
14. exposed or vulnerable: subject to ribaldry. (Collins English Dictionary)
15. open or exposed (usu. fol. by to): subject to ridicule. (Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary)
18. liable; prone (usu. fol. by to): subject to headaches.


In your original sentence, "Migrant workers are occasionally subject to abuse", I'd say that definition 14 and 15 are probably the clearest - in this meaning, "exposed to" could be a synonym for "subject to".

"Migrant workers are occasionally subject to abuse."
"Migrant workers are occasionally exposed to abuse."
"Migrant workers are occasionally abused."


To me, they have the same meaning.
raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Saturday, July 10, 2021 9:03:07 PM
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Is it normal to say "These workers were subject to abuse yesterday"?

Compare the (relatively normal, in my opinion) "These workers were exposed to abuse yesterday."

raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Saturday, July 10, 2021 9:03:54 PM
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Is it normal to say "These workers were subject to abuse yesterday"?

Compare the (relatively normal, in my opinion) "These workers were exposed to abuse yesterday."

raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Saturday, July 10, 2021 9:04:02 PM
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Is it normal to say "These workers were subject to abuse yesterday"?

Compare the (relatively normal, in my opinion) "These workers were exposed to abuse yesterday."

raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Saturday, July 10, 2021 9:04:19 PM
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Is it normal to say "These workers were subject to abuse yesterday"?

Compare the (relatively normal, in my opinion) "These workers were exposed to abuse yesterday."

Sarrriesfan
Posted: Sunday, July 11, 2021 1:48:21 AM

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I find “These workers were subject to abuse yesterday” more normal and natural than ‘exposed to abuse”.
raymondaliasapollyon
Posted: Sunday, July 11, 2021 2:51:38 AM
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Is the following okay?

John's wife was subject to abuse three times last week.
(= John's wife was abused three times last week.)
Bathcoup
Posted: Sunday, July 11, 2021 3:25:36 AM
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raymondaliasapollyon wrote:
Hi,

Is there any difference between the following sentences?

a. Migrant workers are occasionally abused.

b. Migrant workers are occasionally subject to abuse.

I'd appreciate your help.
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Migrant workers are occasionally abused. = Migrant workers are occasionally subjected to abuse.

to be subjected to = to be acted on
to be subject to: You and other Members have explained

EDIT:
John's wife was subject subjected to abuse three times last week. = John's wife was abused three times last week.
Bathcoup
Posted: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 3:46:36 AM
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Evening Standard (published two hours ago):
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The Home Secretary was among those to criticise the “vile” racist abuse that the players have been subjected to, writing on Twitter: “It has no place in our country and I back the police to hold those responsible accountable.”

The author Emma Bowden understands the difference. Amazing!
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