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Ivan Fadeev
Posted: Friday, April 16, 2021 8:28:19 AM

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I remember this example:

This is a picture of Frank. - he is depicted in it.
This is a picture of Frank's. - it belongs to him.

What would it be if there were "the picture"? The same or not?

This is the picture of Frank. - he is depicted in it. ???
This is the picture of Frank's. - it belongs to him. ???
FounDit
Posted: Friday, April 16, 2021 12:11:12 PM

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Ivan Fadeev wrote:
I remember this example:

This is a picture of Frank. - he is depicted in it. Just one picture. There may be others.

This is a picture of Frank's. - it belongs to him. Awkward.

What would it be if there were "the picture"? The same or not?

This is the picture of Frank. - he is depicted in it. ??? "the" would indicate a picture of Frank is being discussed, and this one is the picture mentioned.
This is the picture of Frank's. - it belongs to him. ???
Awkward.

In both cases, we'd usually say, "This is Frank's picture", to show it belongs to him.
Víctor Lplz
Posted: Friday, April 16, 2021 4:32:03 PM

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Hi,
other examples:
1) A photo of me. You appear in that photo.
2) A photo of mine. That photo belongs to you. It's yours.
3) A photo of myself. It is selfie

Regards
Ivan Fadeev
Posted: Friday, April 16, 2021 4:32:27 PM

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FounDit wrote:

This is a picture of Frank. - he is depicted in it. Just one picture. There may be others.

This is a picture of Frank's. - it belongs to him. Awkward.


https://guidetogrammar.org/grammar/possessives.htm

The double possessive has been around since the fifteenth century, and is widely accepted. It's extremely helpful, for instance, in distinguishing between "a picture of my father" (in which we see the old man) and "a picture of my father's" (which he owns). Native speakers will note how much more natural it is to say "He's a fan of hers" than "he's a fan of her."
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