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Romany
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 1:08:37 PM
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If you're too young to be familiar with John Lennon lyrics - they have been used as the backdrops to many world events.

And what's been playing on a loop through my head since we heard the results of the American election is: "All we are saying is give Peace a chance."

And, regardless of all the expected rubbish about 'frauds' and 'hoaxes' and even fucken' paedophilia(!!!) which are already arising and which will no doubt be thrown about by our two very own Trumpeteers. But at last we no longer have to pretend that their ideas on misogyny, racism, undue force, Christianity, dismissal of education & science,Truth (the one with the capital "t") & Honour (ditto the "h" here); represent anything other than ideology which America and the rest of the world rejects. It's base ideology. It doesn't work.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

I hope that people won't crow or do metaphorical jigs of glee at the results of this unequalled period of testing our boundaries. (But, hey, one completely understands if anyone does.)

So I think that all the rhetoric has stirred up all kinds of expectations of what's going to happen now. And the thing is, that it's all pretty simple.

We've done 4 years of trying to divide, antagonise, and normalise violence. It can be seen, by every inhabitant of planet Earth, not to have worked .

Trump and his dwindling flock - no matter WHAT they say - have lost their power.

But this doesn't mean that now it's gotta be duked out. No-one is threatened. No-one but the usual morons - who are scattered randomly through every single party/movement/ideology that exists - is talking about revenge; all the stuff about getting rid of Trump heralding Armageddon can at last be labelled as the bull-shit it is. No-one is interested in engaging in civil war.

The Law has triuphed.

As Lennon and millions around the world once before tried to explain -

"All we are saying [now] is give peace a chance." Your way just didn't work.

Simple, innit?


Wilmar (USA) 1M
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 1:33:59 PM

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Go home and worry about the mess in your own country. What a hack.
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 1:47:30 PM

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Hi Romany,

I will wait for the counts and recounts to say, "You're fired'. And I won't call it tacky crowing but Karma. Although with all the stuff Tump has said that is worse than tacky, tacky should be fine for us for once. It is tiring always taking the high road and being laughed at as the low road travellers romp past.

The good news is that at least one of Trump's lawsuits claiming fraud by the Democrats has been thrown out. As well, objective International observers said there was no fraud.

After all the stunts Trump pulled to suppress the vote he really does have jutzpah to claim the Democrats committed fraud by COUNTING ALL THE VOTES. Democracy was working and the irony was way over his head. A group run by a Trump aide actually urged supporters to rally in Philadelphia to intimidate the election workers.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/politics/decision-2020/group-run-by-trump-aide-sent-texts-alleging-fraud-urging-supporters-to-rally-in-philly/2588529/

It was not a landslide victory for Trump as predicted here on the forum. Some of it may have been voter apathy back in 2016 but it it is troubling that in spite of seeing what he stands for, several million more voted for Trump than did in 2016 - and they are not going away. These problems have to be solved or there will be another more competent Trump and then democracy will really be in trouble.

And like it or not the world has a big stake in what happens in powerful America.

That said, there is a long list of all the obstacles Biden faced and he still pulled it off while not endangering his supporters and their contacts with Covid. There is still hope for America's democracy.

The article on this link lists all the obstacles Biden faced and he still got the highest number of popular votes. The outdated electoral college gives 150 people the same representation as that of 500 people.

"Joe Biden Had To Beat Donald Trump With One Hand Tied Behind His Back"

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/joe-biden-2020-election-obstacles_n_5fa5ab5ec5b623bfac4f43fc?ri18n=true



Romany
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 2:05:43 PM
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Hey, Hope -

One of the things ringing around the world is that fact that Canada was the first country to congratulate Biden!! Everyone's kinda saying "Fair go" to THAT one.Dancing When Mexico calls people will go absolutely ape-shit!Dancing Dancing

Despite the fact that we are in Lockdown again even here in faraway UK people are celebrating in the streets (in careful "bubbles", as per regulations, of course)and are setting off fireworks - the forecourt of the Cathedral opposite my window has been ablaze since darkness fell!
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 2:09:11 PM

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You will notice that the TrumpHumpers are not in their usual ROFL, snotty moods, but the rest of the country is already working around them. They are bumps in the road.
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 2:52:37 PM

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Hi Again Rom,

I didn't know Trudeau was the first to congratulate Biden. PMJT had said he would work with whomever won as he had said in 2016. And as hard as it was, he did. But it must have been a big relief for him to see the numbers and that more than half of Americans are for democracy, many putting country ahead of party. Trudeau and Biden have already worked well together.

But Biden may not be any better for Canada when the pipeline for Alberta is considered. It is hoped that trade wars will be less but that is not a given under Biden. But the biggest concern for Canada was for the US itself and its democracy.

There is still the matter of a gracious concession. Whistle But as Hillary said during one of her campaign debates with Trump, whenever Trump loses he calls "fraud". Even called out the Emmys as being fraudulent when he didn't win a trophy for his TV reality show. Hillary was right about a lot of things in her warnings that were not heeded by many.

This tweet is from someone's wife who lost his job because he dared to call out Trump and tell the truth.

Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman's wife Rachel:
Exhausted. Elated. Relieved. #HereRightMatters @AVindman
I love you. You are my best friend and my forever hero


Obama's statement:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-biden-election-results-11-07-20/h_c3e5d8245a0e4ec9fec46417fe92d016

There is a big gathering outside the WH of elated Americans.

And the comments that are rolling in from other countries around the world follow:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/07/americas/biden-global-reaction-election-intl/index.html




whatson
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 3:53:24 PM
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It is especially heartwarming to note that the
DEATH PRESIDENT regained his freedom to pursue
unlimited golfing, endless tower building and
other edifying activities on this particular day,
the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution.
It calls for a bucketful of cut flowers.
Long live November 7!
Wilmar (USA) 1M
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:06:42 PM

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Good Grief.
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 5:04:47 PM

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Setting off fireworks has nothing to do with the fact it’s the weekend after the 5th of November Guy Fawkes night, so some people are having firework parties for their kids at home.
Don’t get me wrong it’s a good thing Trump has gone, but assigning significance to something when it’s probably due to something else is a little misleading.
Romany
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 5:30:31 PM
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Sarries -

don't forget I live in Brighton. Apart from everything else...we're a University (actually two-University!) city!

Believe me, there is no doubt whatsoeverwhat the fireworks are all about. They were deliberately preserved..."just in case"...
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, November 7, 2020 5:59:32 PM

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OK, but I couldn't resist. My laughing out loud for the day and the tweet to win Twitter for the day.

I should stop. Whistle But decency won. First in order - get those kids back to their parents!







lazarius
Posted: Sunday, November 8, 2020 4:13:51 AM

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When you call it the scoop. Nay, the poop.

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Hope123
Posted: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:09:48 AM

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Preet Bahara, ex AG of New York fired by Trump when he was investigating Trump, said this:

I had to explain to my kids just now that this is not the normal level of celebration after an election in America

Can you imagine being so bad at your job that church bells ring all over the world when you lose it?
towan52
Posted: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:05:26 PM

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Wilmar (USA) 1M wrote:
Go home and worry about the mess in your own country. What a hack.


Gracious in defeat as ever! Local MENSA must have ended early that day. Whistle
Romany
Posted: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:42:10 PM
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And still with the pre-programmed "Go back to..."

Not yet woke to the fact that actually for about the last 150 years, we don't have to physically 'go' anywhere to communicate with people, guys?

Through the magic of Science - you know, that stuff which is all just a giant hoax -I'm sitting here plumb smack-dab right in the middle of my home in my messy country. Can't get any home-er than I am at the minute in my big chair at my desk with my dog in my lap; with a big vase of glowing tulips on the windowsill, I'm about as home as a person can be.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:50:57 PM

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For those who can't see the picture it simply says:

Live your life in such a manner that the entire planet doesn't dance in the streets when you lose your job.

Romany
Posted: Sunday, November 8, 2020 3:20:56 PM
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Hmm - I think the wording I can see which is not "people" dancing in the streets but "the entire planet" is what packs the punch: not just your office, or your hometown...but the ENTIRE Globe.

Because the fact that this isn't just a local but a global celebration makes this the most extraordinary coming-together since Mandela!


Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Sunday, November 8, 2020 3:51:13 PM

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Romany wrote:


Hmm - I think the wording I can see which is not "people" dancing in the streets but "the entire planet" is what packs the punch: not just your office, or your hometown...but the ENTIRE Globe.

Because the fact that this isn't just a local but a global celebration makes this the most extraordinary coming-together since Mandela!


Thanks Romany! I fixed it.
Hope123
Posted: Sunday, November 8, 2020 5:07:00 PM

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Question:


Why have Trump and Republicans accepted the results from House and Senate elections, but not Presidential? Everything was on the same ballots.





A analysis of votes in PA showed that Republicans in a certain area did something Republicans rarely ever ever do - they split the ballot. They voted Biden for president but Republican for all the other votes on the ballot. With a greater turnout that may be why a repudiation of Trump did not translate to other races.

I was actually shocked to hear that on one ballot in the US you might have to vote for over thirty items.

Even in our municipal elections we would never have that many choices to make.

Maybe that is why Americans just vote party without checking to see if for instance that judge is set to do something detrimental to them personally. If he is of their party - check.
Romany
Posted: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:08:51 PM
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I recently found out too (from John Oliver, actually)that it wasn't just because of the hoop-la of this particular election that people have to wait in queues to vote in America - they always do, each time they vote?

They do seem to make heavy weather of the whole election process - perhaps stream-lining the actual physical process is one way of getting better voter turn-out in the future?

And your right to a continuous sausage-sizzle throughout voting-hours should be enshrined.

I mean really - people stand in the snow like Victorian match-girls...and do not have access to the day-long sausage-sizzle?Not talking

Doubtless there are some American states which wouldn't allow that other staple of Election Days: the voting centres which wangle a licence for the day to include the post-vote drink (especially when the voting venue is in a school). But it's worth considering.

If the voting process didn't include courting hypothermia, heat exhaustion or world pandemic, maybe more people would vote?Whistle

Having said that, the practices involved in casting one's vote in Australia have probably arisen due to the fact that voting is compulsory there. In return for accepting this compulsion ruling, the Australian voter was entitled to a bit of compensation.

Sausage sizzles and temporary liquor licencing seemed to be reasonable demands to fulfil. And while baulked at the idea of declaring Election Day a National Holiday; well, anyone who doesn't make it back to work after voting, is tacitly understood to be celebrating the right of free people everywhere to vote.Whistle Whistle

Actually, with a temporary liquor licence and a sausage-sizzle, all the forests in the country could be swept too.Think




Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 5:39:30 PM

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The actions of the Republican party leadership at this point can only be seen as stereotypical Little Eichmanns.

Eichmann(Noun)
One who willingly participates in immoral or destructive actions without ethical qualms because the actions are acceptable to society.

Etymology: After Karl Adolf Eichmann (1906–1962), "the architect of the Holocaust".

They are well aware of the destruction they are responsible for and have chosen this path, following Capt Sphincter Blossom as they accelerate the destruction of our Democracy.
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:39:25 PM

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Now Rom no sausage sizzles that’s treating the voters, Adam Hills has suggested it for the U.K. before. But look at Bunnings when they tried it here and failed to get it to take off.
Well okay it would be in the the States so U.K. rules don’t apply.
They could have a good BBQ though in the American style 8hr smoked brisket lovely.

The more I watch John Oliver and other sources the more I am amazed at how bad the state of American politics is though, they need more polling stations there is no need for people to have to queue for hours. Mine is in the local scout hut, turn up go in and out again in 5 minutes.

America could do with an adequate third party to keep the other two on their toes, it won’t happen but it would help,their democracy.
Romany
Posted: Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:26:17 AM
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So Adam's already got his foot in the door (yeah, pun intended) on that idea, too, huh?

And it seems that now America's politics have been opened up into the light of day, leaders of countries all over the world have realised that as they continue with what is, in reality ONLY a two-party system, the world can no longer depend upon America. Having spent four years watching this abhorrent display, it's become clear that world leadership cannot be looked for from a country whose entire political structure; attitude to Alliances, responsibilities and promises to other countries...and loyalties...can not only be completely nullified by four- yearly change which upsets world stability; but the continuing violence brought about by this kind of internecine 'war' puts the whole world at risk of destabilisation.


So hey, considering all that, I reckon Adam and I have the simplest, cheapest way forward - a few snags, a tinny or a glass of wine...and everyone will be singing around the piano together and swearing undying friendship by the end of Election Day!Dancing Whistle
Hope123
Posted: Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:52:19 AM

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A tinny is a can of beer? What on earth is a snag? Sounds sexy to me.

If American Evangelicals are even allowed alcohol, they'd probably prefer beer.
Hope123
Posted: Thursday, November 12, 2020 9:04:56 AM

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I was curious about Evangelical beliefs.

Strange that 70% believe in speaking in tongues when only 42% believe in drinking alcohol. Whistle

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Hope123 wrote:
A tinny is a can of beer? What on earth is a snag? Sounds sexy to me.

If American Evangelicals are even allowed alcohol, they'd probably prefer beer.


Snag is Aussie slang for a sausage
Hope123
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towan52 wrote:
Hope123 wrote:
A tinny is a can of beer? What on earth is a snag? Sounds sexy to me.

If American Evangelicals are even allowed alcohol, they'd probably prefer beer.


Snag is Aussie slang for a sausage


Oh, thanks!
Romany
Posted: Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:52:05 PM
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Sorry Hope -

Snags and bangers = same thing.

And those tiny "cocktail" chipolata sausages? They're called "Little boy's." (And yes I punctuated correctly.)

(I actually heard two new ones in Oz-speak on the weekend, which help explain why just listening to Aussies sometimes make me laugh no matter what they're saying:

1) "And then he arrives, dressed up like a pox-doctor's clerk..."
2)" Ah you can't mistake 'im; got a head on 'im like a robber's dog!"

Gotta love Oz-speak!
Hope123
Posted: Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:53:10 PM

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Romany wrote:
Sorry Hope -

Snags and bangers = same thing.

And those tiny "cocktail" chipolata sausages? They're called "Little boy's." (And yes I punctuated correctly.)

(I actually heard two new ones in Oz-speak on the weekend, which help explain why just listening to Aussies sometimes make me laugh no matter what they're saying:

1) "And then he arrives, dressed up like a pox-doctor's clerk..."
2)" Ah you can't mistake 'im; got a head on 'im like a robber's dog!"

Gotta love Oz-speak!


Applause Applause Applause

That reminds of a flower we call "Naughty Boy". 😀 It's real name is Anthurium. They bloom a long time and I usually have one.


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