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Daemon
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Silence gives the proper grace to women.

Sophocles (496 BC-406 BC)
thar
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Bargepole not touching hitting head over.
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Daemon wrote:
Silence gives the proper grace to women.

Sophocles (496 BC-406 BC)


Yeah. Lucky beings they can draw grace from almost anything...
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When these races had ceased and the charioteers were about to begin another event, then they suddenly enjoined silence upon one another and all clapped their hands simultaneously, shouting, besides, and entreating good fortune for the public welfare.

– Cassius Dio, Roman History, Book 76, Severus’s war against Albinus Caesar, chapter 4
Kampong
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Just shows that Sophocles was a member of a misogynic society.
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:21:06 AM

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Kampong wrote:
Just shows that Sophocles was a member of a misogynic society.


The sentence written by you shows that you are not Plato expecting ‘Apology of Socrates’ to be published.
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Context from: Aristotle, Politics

1.1260


If intemperate and cowardly he will not perform any of the duties of his position. It is evident therefore that both must possess virtue, but that there are differences in their virtue (as also there are differences between those who are by nature ruled).1 And of this we straightway find an indication in connection with the soul; for the soul by nature contains a part that rules and a part that is ruled, to which we assign different virtues, that is, the virtue of the rational and that of the irrational. It is clear then that the case is the same also with the other instances of ruler and ruled. Hence there are by nature various classes of rulers and ruled. For the free rules the slave, the male the female, and the man the child in a different way. And all possess the various parts of the soul, but possess them in different ways; for the slave has not got the deliberative part at all, and the female has it, but without full authority, while the child has it, but in an undeveloped form. Hence the ruler must possess intellectual virtue in completeness (for any work, taken absolutely, belongs to the master-craftsman, and rational principle is a master-craftsman); while each of the other parties must have that share of this virtue which is appropriate to them. We must suppose therefore that the same necessarily holds good of the moral virtues: all must partake of them, but not in the same way, but in such measure as is proper to each in relation to his own function. [20] Hence it is manifest that all the persons mentioned have a moral virtue of their own, and that the temperance of a woman and that of a man are not the same, nor their courage and justice, as Socrates thought,3 but the one is the courage of command, and the other that of subordination, and the case is similar with the other virtues. And this is also clear when we examine the matter more in detail, for it is misleading to give a general definition of virtue, as some do, who say that virtue is being in good condition as regards the soul or acting uprightly or the like; those who enumerate the virtues of different persons separately, as Gorgias does,4 are much more correct than those who define virtue in that way. Hence we must hold that all of these persons have their appropriate virtues, as the poet said of woman: “ Silence gives grace to woman” though that is not the case likewise with a man. Also the child is not completely developed, so that manifestly his virtue also is not personal to himself, but relative to the fully developed being, that is, the person in authority over him. And similarly the slave's virtue also is in relation to the master.

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This is against the principles of feminism.
gfduda
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Daemon wrote:
Silence gives the proper grace to women.

Sophocles (496 BC-406 BC)


O silêncio dá a graça adequada às mulheres.
Spockhammer
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If only men could learn to keep their damn fool mouths shut......
Carolina Dias
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That is so sexist... If Sophocles knew Donald Trump and Jair Bolsonaro, he would want them silent...
Ajike Omooba
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You can say that again!
taurine
Posted: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:54:15 AM

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Adyl Mouhei wrote:
This is against the principles of feminism.


No. Sophocles has his intellectual achievements recognised as contributing to the well-being of humankind long before the ideas of 'feminism' began spread all over the world.
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