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alibey1917
Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 4:06:00 AM

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"In 1572 Hogan had sent his factor John Williams to Morocco to check reports of an abundance of high‑ quality potassium nitrate, or saltpetre, a key ingredient in mak‑ ing gunpowder, which was extremely scarce in western Europe and was imported at great expense from Persia and India... Abdallah Muhammad was not interested in trading saltpetre for English cloth: he told Williams that ‘if we would take upon us to bring him bullets of iron for his great ordnance, we should have saltpetre’. The sultan’s counsellors advised him against the trade, arguing that ‘although his law was to the contrary . . . no saltpetre should pass to the Christians, considering the commodity of pellets [iron shot or cannon balls] was as needful for him as saltpetre to the Christians’"

I don't understand what the counsellors were trying to say here. Can you help me?



The source: This Orient Isle- Elizabethan England and the Islamic World by Jerry Brotton
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 4:34:10 AM

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Hi.
To me it says a few things:
He needed cannonballs and shot.
The Christians needed saltpetre for gunpowder.
His laws did NOT say that he couldn't sell saltpetre.
However, the advisors said that he shouldn't sell saltpetre to the Christians.

It does sound a bit odd - I think that he may be using "considering" to simply mean "thinking" or "knowing" rather than "taking into account the fact that", which is the usual meaning these days.
alibey1917
Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 4:55:08 AM

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Drag0nspeaker yazdı:
Hi.
To me it says a few things:
He needed cannonballs and shot.
The Christians needed saltpetre for gunpowder.
His laws did NOT say that he couldn't sell saltpetre.
However, the advisors said that he shouldn't sell saltpetre to the Christians.

It does sound a bit odd - I think that he may be using "considering" to simply mean "thinking" or "knowing" rather than "taking into account the fact that", which is the usual meaning these days.


Hi, and thank you, Drag0nspeaker.
Romany
Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:24:02 AM
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Until the late Victorian period "I consider..." was understood to mean "I think..." "I believe" - which it still is today: "I consider him an unsuitable replacement for Ms. Wood."

What his advisers were saying was: -

"although there's no law against the saltpetre trade with Christians, we should not let them have it, because our need for pellets [which were being denied them]is as great as their need for saltpetre."

...so they were supporting Abdallah Muhammad who had been offered cloth in return for saltpetre and wanted ammunition etc. instead. They were pointing out they were in a good bargaining position as the need for saltpetre was as important to the Christians as ammunition was to them.
alibey1917
Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:42:26 AM

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Romany yazdı:


Until the late Victorian period "I consider..." was understood to mean "I think..." "I believe" - which it still is today: "I consider him an unsuitable replacement for Ms. Wood."

What his advisers were saying was: -

"although there's no law against the saltpetre trade with Christians, we should not let them have it, because our need for pellets [which were being denied them]is as great as their need for saltpetre."

...so they were supporting Abdallah Muhammad who had been offered cloth in return for saltpetre and wanted ammunition etc. instead. They were pointing out they were in a good bargaining position as the need for saltpetre was as important to the Christians as ammunition was to them.


Thank you, Romany, I got it.
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