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towan52
Posted: Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:05:05 PM
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I heard a reference o QAnon today on the radio - I'd never heard of it - any input from anyone?
Romany
Posted: Monday, July 20, 2020 7:06:04 AM
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Goodness, Towan - have you only just heard it? It's used a helluva lot on discussion shows and interviews.

All I ever knew about it was that it was yet another conspiracy theory so I never bothered to look it up, I must admit, until I saw this post!

Even so, I've no "feeling" about it. Windmills cause cancer; Hillary Clinton ran a knock-shop for paedophiles out of a pizza joint; and there's a "Deep State" plot against Donald J.

Meh.
thar
Posted: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:26:22 AM

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I'd never heard of it either, although I am obviously not the target audience or looking in the appropriate places.

The reason I don't believe in conspiracy theories is mostly because I don't believe people can keep their mouths shut. Apart from the why, the how, the who and the 'seriously, think about it for two seconds!'.

And everyone knows the internet was primarily designed for cat videos. And occasional porn to pull people away from cat videos. But any conspiracy theories just use up bandwidth that should be dedicated to cat videos. Whistle
Hope123
Posted: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:54:11 AM

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/07/18/qanons-fox-news-cameo-the-conspiracy-theorys-latest-breakout-moment/#3a032154621e

QAnon have off the wall beliefs in conspiracy theories but the main one has been mentiiobed as a fact on the forum by FounDit when he refers to “the Deep State”. As Romany says Deep State is an organized plot against Trump within the government. (I wish)

The above link lists all the prominent Americans promoting it.

Trump himself, a known Conspiracy Theories advocate, has retweeted QAnon many times, several on July 4th alone.

We've run into a few of them in Canada as it has infiltrated from the States as most of their garbage ideas do. Much of it is an attitude of entitlement -

A restaurant owner was just told that they couldn't tell him as a patron to wear a mask because it was against the US Constitution. The restaurant is not in the US. lol

I just saw a video of a white male in the States arguing several minutes up close to a young security guard putting him at risk because the man wanted in to a convenience store without a mask. Covidiot doesn't realixze a store is private property and they can require what they want.
Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:44:38 AM

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Towan,

Just saw this video re QAnon, who they are, and why the Republicans and Trump supporters are embracing their conspiracy theories.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/07/20/gop-candidates-qanon-supporters-avlon-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/
Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:44:41 PM

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Twitter is now banning Qanon accounts that incite violence, as well as any Qanon related content.

7000 banned, 150,000 partial ban.
thar
Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:44:28 AM

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I have just read a BBC article about Twitter banning these posts, and that led to one about a school event being cancelled because

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Mr Comey's tweet on 27 April shared his employment history as a part of the #FiveJobsIveHad Twitter trend.


Conspiracy theorists pored over the posting, noticing that the first letter of each job he listed spelled out "GVCSF".

Internet searches revealed this to be an acronym for the Grass Valley Charter School Foundation.

QAnon adherents also rearranged the letters in the hashtag used by Mr Comey - "#FiveJobsIveHad" - to spell "five jihads".

They concluded the tweet and its timing was part of a plot hatched by the former FBI director to stage a terrorist attack on the school in Grass Valley, California.


As you do.
Checking the date, not April - check the origin, no, it's not a sci-fi drama story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48231708

I mean, you couldn't make this up. It is insane. But then it is sad.
That people are so broken, so removed from reality they buy this.
Are there plots - yes, of course. All sorts of plots and cabals, and some ruthless people, most dangerously the ones who think they are patriots.

Are their plots put in romantic poetry codes on twitter to lead to the conclusion a former FBI director is about to attack a school? No. Not in any sane brain. Even the most nuts doomsday cults would find that one silly. So why are these people so lost and broken? What made them lost faith not just in government and institutions, but in humanity and most importantly in their own ability to reason things through?
Epiphileon
Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:48:04 PM

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FounDit
Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:33:56 PM

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thar wrote:
I have just read a BBC article about Twitter banning these posts, and that led to one about a school event being cancelled because

Quote:
Mr Comey's tweet on 27 April shared his employment history as a part of the #FiveJobsIveHad Twitter trend.


Conspiracy theorists pored over the posting, noticing that the first letter of each job he listed spelled out "GVCSF".

Internet searches revealed this to be an acronym for the Grass Valley Charter School Foundation.

QAnon adherents also rearranged the letters in the hashtag used by Mr Comey - "#FiveJobsIveHad" - to spell "five jihads".

They concluded the tweet and its timing was part of a plot hatched by the former FBI director to stage a terrorist attack on the school in Grass Valley, California.


As you do.
Checking the date, not April - check the origin, no, it's not a sci-fi drama story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48231708

I mean, you couldn't make this up. It is insane. But then it is sad.
That people are so broken, so removed from reality they buy this.
Are there plots - yes, of course. All sorts of plots and cabals, and some ruthless people, most dangerously the ones who think they are patriots.

Are their plots put in romantic poetry codes on twitter to lead to the conclusion a former FBI director is about to attack a school? No. Not in any sane brain. Even the most nuts doomsday cults would find that one silly. So why are these people so lost and broken? What made them lost faith not just in government and institutions, but in humanity and most importantly in their own ability to reason things through?


I've never heard of QAnon, but this isn't a surprise. We've always had people who believe all kinds of conspiracy theories. Sometimes they make great movie plots, e.g., The Da Vinci Code. Also relevant are the people who believe everything they see or hear on CNN.
towan52
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2020 9:58:05 AM
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FounDit wrote:
Also relevant are the people who believe everything they see or hear on CNN.[/color]


As are the people who believe everything they see and hear on Fox News!
Hope123
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2020 11:08:38 AM

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Or believe anything the American president says.


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Deep State is part of QAnon conspiracy theory, FounDit. You have mentioned the Deep State as fact several times here. Yet you don't consider yourself to be a Conspiracy Theory believer. What's up with that? More denial?
FounDit
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:21:20 PM

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Hope123 wrote:
Or believe anything the American president says.


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Deep State is part of QAnon conspiracy theory, FounDit. You have mentioned the Deep State as fact several times here. Yet you don't consider yourself to be a Conspiracy Theory believer. What's up with that? More denial?

Not at all. The modern idea of a Deep State has a history originating in Turkey. It simply means an organized effort to sabotage, or undermine a government authority.

We now have ever increasing amounts of evidence from the Attorney General that the Obama Administration, using the FBI, IRS, and Dems in Congress coordinated an effort to spy on and undermine the incoming Trump Administration. You will see more of it revealed as time goes on.

Of course, I've no doubt you will refuse to believe any evidence produced and will continue to swallow whole whatever you hear on CNN, The View, etc.

BTW, Towen52, I don't believe everything I hear or see on Fox News. In fact, I don't like watching Fox News much at all. I find all the talking heads annoying. I tend to read and verify the news I do get, if I can, and wait for a time before I believe anything.

When I was young, my Dad used to say, "Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see until you have proof". It was good advice.
Romany
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2020 1:45:45 PM
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Hope -

I also goggled a little at FD's disavowal of knowledge of Q.Anon. - especially as it's an invention of the sector which he upholdsThink His posts are always littered with such absurdities; often word-for-word as they come rolling out of the nation's tv sets. He regularly accuses us of being fools and liars for dismissing them.

However, I have finally come to realise that once he has committed to any of his posts that's it! Forgotten & dismissed.

Do you remember how awfully distressed I became at FD's reaction to me claiming that I tried, and always had, to follow the precepts of Humanism? I gave it, as he seemed seriously not to understand the concept of being apolitical. Describing oneself as a Humanist in the contemporary world, has always been a one-word explanation from which others could extrapolate why I don't belong to groups, or political parties, or 'movements'; or follow conventions...yada, yada, yada. But he came out with the most tortured distortion of a concept I had ever heard! [Then. I have since come across some real doozies.] And used this unrecognisable definition as a carte blanche to trash me and my character accordingly. He distorted the core of who I was. And I will never forget it. Yet the other day he actually directed a student towards Humanism as a personal philosophy, just as I, or any other responder would!!

That also made me goggle.

But the thing that struck me most forcefully was that, the other day he actually actually explained and advised an ESL student on the use of the non-gendered "they" replacing he/her in English. I mean I was glad and happy that the student learned of it.

So it rather sickens me that all his accusations of us being all the things he accuses us of being, still run through so many of his responses - stated as fact. Being stumbled upon from time to time. And the way he used to respond to any suggestion of "they" replacing "he or she" cast me as capable of anything short of eating babies!

Although, conversely, it pleases me immensely that they DO still stand - so that the proof of what we say - the last 3 left standing, as-it-were - also still stands.
Hope123
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2020 2:53:44 PM

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Romany,

Please in the future don't take anything anybody says on the Forum personally. We know who you are Applause and what anybody, especially someone who is here to discredit us because we do not have the same political beliefs, says here as ad hominem, is pure baloney.


Besides, the tendency to forget what was said before and contradict oneself seems to be catching in the US. Brick wall



Hope123
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2020 3:24:59 PM

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FounDit wrote:
Hope123 wrote:
Or believe anything the American president says.


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Deep State is part of QAnon conspiracy theory, FounDit. You have mentioned the Deep State as fact several times here. Yet you don't consider yourself to be a Conspiracy Theory believer. What's up with that? More denial?

Not at all. The modern idea of a Deep State has a history originating in Turkey. It simply means an organized effort to sabotage, or undermine a government authority.

We now have ever increasing amounts of evidence from the Attorney General that the Obama Administration, using the FBI, IRS, and Dems in Congress coordinated an effort to spy on and undermine the incoming Trump Administration. You will see more of it revealed as time goes on.

Of course, I've no doubt you will refuse to believe any evidence produced and will continue to swallow whole whatever you hear on CNN, The View, etc.

BTW, Towen52, I don't believe everything I hear or see on Fox News. In fact, I don't like watching Fox News much at all. I find all the talking heads annoying. I tend to read and verify the news I do get, if I can, and wait for a time before I believe anything.

When I was young, my Dad used to say, "Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see until you have proof". It was good advice.


I have told you this before - but you tend to forget or more likely just skip over my posts as you don't like to hear the truth.

Haven't watched the View in at least two years or more since Meghan McCain started - can't stand her temper tantrums.

Do not watch or read ANY news - American or Canadian - you can't trust any of them with “pure” news i.e. facts not opinions. Last Canadian hold out from being owned by American Republican hedgefund was the Toronto Star which was just bought out by Conservatives. They have been doing real investigative journalism but we'll have to wait and see now what happens. Even the CBC is run by a bunch of idiots who prefer gotchas to news.

I watch videos of what people actually say - just watched Barr going on a witch hunt because the FBI was doing their job re Russian spying - almost four years ago. How stupid is that to waste time and money on the past when there have been several investigations already - he even mentioned some of them. Typical of Republicans for years.

He should be focusing on corruption happening in your country NOW.

Hope123
Posted: Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:47:25 PM

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I signed up for Associated Press today to see if it is any better at dispensing facts. They just reviewed AP facts at Media Bias Fact Check and say “ Center is still the best bias rating for AP Newsl.

So here is the story I see:


It seems populist leaders who eschew science have the most deaths from Covid globally.

https://apnews.com/2a4b5159e9c8b1510973801297243c3d?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningwire&pnespid=hbdgs_dXBl2NuIheuAR1iYy7AXjZxss6nNbZwlLk

“ The countries that top the rankings of COVID-19 deaths globally are not necessarily the poorest, the richest or even the most densely populated. But they do have one thing in common: They are led by populist, mold-breaking leaders. Populism in politics means pushing policies that are popular with “the people,” not the elites and the experts. The United States’ Donald Trump, Britain’s Boris Johnson and Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro, as well as India’s Narendra Modi and Mexico’s Andrés Manuel López Obrador, have surged to power in democratic countries, challenging the old order by promising social benefits to the masses and rejecting the establishment.”
Romany
Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:46:31 AM
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Hmmmph!

Found that last bit confusing - with B.J's (that's Boris Johnson) name included?

Boris as "popular with the people"? I think not. He's one of the elite; went to Oxbridge; and represents , from what most people seem to think, one of the 'Hooray Henry"s; 'Chinless Wonder' class - the Upper Middle Class. All Old School Ties. The very class "the masses" despise.

He hasn't "promised social benefits to the masses" - we've had 'em since before he was born. And as for his policies being 'popularist'? Well, perhaps he's been trying, but so far as I can see, every idea he comes up with gets rubbished by "the masses".

He's just a wanker. His blithering and mumbling about Covid19 is just the blithering and mumbling of a bloke who's always been a buffoon. We can't even claim that it was his own convictions/ideas that led to him to bungle it.

A wanker is as a wanker does.Dancing

(p.s. the most comforting sentence for most English people re BJ is "But thank god he's not as bad as Donald Trump.". When that's the highest praise one can give someone you KNOW your country's in trouble!!)

Drag0nspeaker
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Romany wrote:
Boris as "popular with the people"? I think not.

And that's the English viewpoint.

The Scottish viewpoint took a turn for the worse when this recently came to light again.

A poem published by Boris Johnson in "The Spectator" when he was editor in 2004.


The Scotch – what a verminous race!

Canny, pushy, chippy, they’re all over the place,

Battening off us with false bonhomie,

Polluting our stock, undermining our economy.

Down with sandy hair and knobbly knees!

Suppress the tartan dwarves and the Wee Frees!

Ban the kilt, the skean-dhu and the sporran

As provocatively, offensively foreign!

It’s time Hadrian’s Wall was refortified

To pen them in a ghetto on the other side.

I would go further. The nation

Deserves not merely isolation

But comprehensive extermination.

We must not flinch from a solution.

190Five
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Spot on!

towan52 wrote:
FounDit wrote:
Also relevant are the people who believe everything they see or hear on CNN.[/color]


As are the people who believe everything they see and hear on Fox News!
190Five
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Populism doesn't equate to anti-science. Also, contrary to popular belief, Nationalism and Populism existed long before 2016, in fact US Nationalism traces back to the Founding of this nation and many of the Documents and Leaders espoused one of the two Nationalist Schools (the Third is Theoretical)

Mentioning Mexico is hilarious. Really? After 71yrs of PRI Rule? The Yucatán Peninsula Vote-buying Washing Machine Incident? PAN coming to power under Pres. Fox (both PRI & PAN are SI Members, so kinda eliminates the last quotation's validity. And they forgot a LOT of "Populist" Counties, but guess these didn't fill the variables needed to create the narrative needed before Deadline. Shame. #4thEstate used to have Honour and an Oath kept, no Sell-by-date, to defend Free Speech against all threats of Censorship and Protect this most Precious of all Rights, no matter what.

In a way, the post-2016 suddenly discovery of Nationalism by the average Base Voting American didn't come with a full lesson plan. Actually it's quite similar to what occurred post-2016 with the "sudden" rise of the US "AntiFa" AntiBes. They're about 40yrs late to the Ball and didn't get the memo on what the real AntiFa (non-Government based) stood for, how they were created, what they did and their Specific Goal. No lists and new additions as seen today. TBH, if US AntiBes ran into OG European AntiFa, they'd piss themselves. No Joking. They are/were hardcore.

The loose association today we're known as Anarcho-Communists, Occupy, MoveOn and segments of ELF/ALF, although they are OG AF and shy away from attention, but those who weren't picked for the Varsity Squad had to go somewhere. Luckily, someone read a book and liked what they saw in a pic. Just didn't read the caption. Seriously, they are miles apart in their MO.

I need to see the article and correlations used to draw the Populism & #ChinaFlu (Disclaimer: I've used this since 20 Jan. Nothing to do with Partisan Politics, the President etc. It was initially IDed as an Influenza-like virus, so to make it easier to communicate with our Teams, #China and #Flu, like Spanish Flu, seemed logical. As a former Fourth Estate Member, I still use it bc of our Oath and general opinion regarding Censorship: Foxtrot It. Plus, #baozi harbours a massive share of blame, so if calling it so is offensive to his arse, goody gumdrops. Instead of Hubris, had he sought help instead of telling the seven Members of the CPC Standing Committee of the Politburo and Additional 28 Members of the Central Committee a week later, maybe we wouldn't have this lil pain in the arse?

#FreeTibet #D4HK #D4789HK #FreeHK #FoxtrotBaoziBear

PS: AP, AFP & Reuters are Okd Skool Wire Services. Throughout Journo History, they provided a way to access information via a set payment agreement per use and by publication Readership. They're a Decent general info clearinghouse, outlet, but I would recommend using several Primary & Secondary Sources, even Tertiary. The Old 2-3-1:3-1-2 Equation always serves one well, remember: Always be Objective & Unbiased and read more Sources with which you disagree than those you agree. It's kinda like OppoResearch, one of the most valuable tools used in Political Campaign Science and PoliSci, Psephology etc. I'm not trying to be an arse, it's late and we're still running Reports, so my concentration is a bit off, but wanted to comment a bit on these Subjects as they're very important, esp Sources and understanding how to use them to paint a picture free of Bollocks.

All the best.



Hope123 wrote:
I signed up for Associated Press today to see if it is any better at dispensing facts. They just reviewed AP facts at Media Bias Fact Check and say “ Center is still the best bias rating for AP Newsl.

So here is the story I see:


It seems populist leaders who eschew science have the most deaths from Covid globally.

https://apnews.com/2a4b5159e9c8b1510973801297243c3d?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningwire&pnespid=hbdgs_dXBl2NuIheuAR1iYy7AXjZxss6nNbZwlLk

“ The countries that top the rankings of COVID-19 deaths globally are not necessarily the poorest, the richest or even the most densely populated. But they do have one thing in common: They are led by populist, mold-breaking leaders. Populism in politics means pushing policies that are popular with “the people,” not the elites and the experts. The United States’ Donald Trump, Britain’s Boris Johnson and Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro, as well as India’s Narendra Modi and Mexico’s Andrés Manuel López Obrador, have surged to power in democratic countries, challenging the old order by promising social benefits to the masses and rejecting the establishment.”
190Five
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Speaking of BJs... How's Prince Andrew?

Taking the piss mate, couldn't be helped. US born but moved to Blighty when 6mo. West London = First Words, Steps and Memories, so Respect from across the Pond from a hybrid AmeriBrit.

Be well. Nice imagery btw!😂😂

Romany wrote:


Hmmmph!

Found that last bit confusing - with B.J's (that's Boris Johnson) name included?

Boris as "popular with the people"? I think not. He's one of the elite; went to Oxbridge; and represents , from what most people seem to think, one of the 'Hooray Henry"s; 'Chinless Wonder' class - the Upper Middle Class. All Old School Ties. The very class "the masses" despise.

He hasn't "promised social benefits to the masses" - we've had 'em since before he was born. And as for his policies being 'popularist'? Well, perhaps he's been trying, but so far as I can see, every idea he comes up with gets rubbished by "the masses".

He's just a wanker. His blithering and mumbling about Covid19 is just the blithering and mumbling of a bloke who's always been a buffoon. We can't even claim that it was his own convictions/ideas that led to him to bungle it.

A wanker is as a wanker does.Dancing

(p.s. the most comforting sentence for most English people re BJ is "But thank god he's not as bad as Donald Trump.". When that's the highest praise one can give someone you KNOW your country's in trouble!!)

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I think the main theme of the piece is that maybe democracy still has a chance if enough people see that disruption and incompetence are not conducive to good policies, especially during a pandemic, and that liberal democracies did better keeping it contained. I only hope the author is correct about the point that democracy can withstand the push.

Some disruption may be good, but it seems to me these disruptive type leaders “throw the baby out with the bath water”.


I don't know much about the UK or Mexico leaders except Johnson tried out the herd immunity idea at first, (he found out the hard way it is a nasty bug), while Obrador said an amulet kept him safe. What! Just as bad was the “Jesus will keep me safe” theory in the US which Trump did not discredit. Trump even promoted unproven drugs and weird remedies like injecting bleach. Don't laugh. Some idiots tried it.

It isn't whether or not these leaders are elites themselves, it is that they have common characteristics such as :

They set themselves up as challenging the “old order”, rejecting the establishment, the state and their institutions. They attack the establishment's policies including those of experts, science, and the educated - remember how Trump was going to “drain the swamp”. They promise great changes to help the masses. (How often these promises are kept is another story.)

They are also similar in that they rely on their bases, and can't afford to dilute their policies which would make them appear weak. Following the advice of scientists and experts, would be considered flip-flopping so they doubled down, even minimalized the virus at first.

They also promote division amongst peoples, and that can be seen easily when Trump manipulates his crowds. .

In the US Kushner's original task force federal plan was dropped in favor of a mainly state-by-state response. An organized federal system is necessary to accomplish anything for a large population and leaving policy to individual states made for chaos.

It was reported and denied that Kushner did that for political reasons because the blue states were the hardest hit at that point. Supplies were rerouted and sold to the highest bidders amongst the states. Since then, cases have surged in states regardless of colour.

(If indeed a political reason is why a federal plan was dropped and people died unnecessarily because of it, that to me is a crime against humanity.)

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