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Oscar D. Grouch
Posted: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:05:18 PM

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little donny calls mail in voting fraudulent. How ironic it is that little donny and melania both voted by mail using absentee ballots.


Trump Repeats Unfounded Claims About Mail-In Voting, Threatens Funding To 2 States

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/20/859333693/trump-repeats-unfounded-claims-about-mail-in-voting-threatens-funding-to-some-st

President Trump on Wednesday escalated his rhetorical campaign against an expansion of mail-in voting amid the coronavirus pandemic by threatening federal funding to two states with Democratic governors.

Trump appeared to be set off by an announcement the day before from Michigan's Democratic secretary of state, Jocelyn Benson, who said her office will mail an absentee ballot application to every voter in the state for August and November elections.

Trump narrowly won Michigan in 2016, giving him the Electoral College votes needed to become president. Trump is expected to visit the state on Thursday to tour a Ford facility that has been repurposed to make ventilators.

In a tweet Wednesday, Trump falsely claimed the state was sending ballots, not ballot applications, and said that because of that, its federal funding was at risk. The president wrote: "I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!" (He later deleted his original tweet and reposted, correctly writing the second time that absentee ballot applications are to be sent out.)

Michigan sends absentee ballot applications to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election. This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 20, 2020

Trump made a similar threat to Nevada, which is mailing absentee ballots to all active registered voters for the state's June 9 primary — an all-mail election.

Elections are run by state and local governments, and it's unclear what legal means Trump would have to withhold funds from the states. Michigan voters approved a constitutional amendment in 2018 to allow no-excuse absentee ballots, along with a number of other changes to make access to voting easier.

Benson, the Michigan secretary of state, responded to Trump's corrected tweet, noting that she's acting within her authority and that a number of states are taking the same action, including states with Republican election officials. In a statement, she added that absentee ballot "applications are mailed nearly every election cycle by both major parties and countless advocacy and nonpartisan organizations."

Hi again. Still wrong. Every Michigan registered voter has a right to vote by mail. I have the authority & responsibility to make sure that they know how to exercise this right - just like my GOP colleagues are doing in GA, IA, NE and WV. Also, again, my name is Jocelyn Benson. https://t.co/deZJwbMlT0
— Jocelyn Benson (@JocelynBenson) May 20, 2020

Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak wrote on Twitter: "For the President to threaten federal funding in the midst of a pandemic over a state exercising its authority to run elections in a safe and legal manner is inappropriate and outrageous."

Trump's comments come two days after Ronna McDaniel, chair of the Republican National Committee, said she's fine with absentee ballot applications.

When asked by a reporter on a call Monday what she thought about proposals to send absentee ballot applications to all voters, McDaniel, who is from Michigan, said: "Personally, I don't really have an issue with absentee ballot request forms being sent out to voters as much as ballots being sent directly to voters. ... We are really against, when people talk about mail-in voting, the ballots being sent directly to people who may or may not want them or sent to all the registered voters even when their voter rolls have not been cleaned up."

Trump's objections come despite the fact that he voted by mail in Florida's recent primary and has voted absentee in previous elections.

Research has found there's no evidence that expanding absentee voting benefits one party over the other. Likewise, extensive research suggests voter fraud is uncommon for mail-in voting.

Still, Trump and some of his Republican allies have concluded that it helps Democrats and are trying to restrict its expansion amid the pandemic.

But the push comes at a moment when many Americans are fearful of voting in person for fear of contracting the coronavirus. Sixty percent of those surveyed in a recent AP-NORC poll said Americans should be allowed to vote absentee without an excuse if the pandemic is still a problem in November.

Wisconsin officials say at least 71 cases of COVID-19 are associated with people who went to the polls in person in that state's controversial April 7 election, where thousands of voters had to wait in line to cast ballots after Republicans in the state legislature refused to support efforts to expand mail-in voting.

Some of the Republican officials who have expanded absentee voting in their states have faced suspicion from within their own party about those efforts.

"The biggest challenge I have right now is making the concept of absentee voting less toxic for Republicans," Kentucky Secretary of State Michael Adams, a Republican, recently told NPR. His office is sending postcards to every registered voter telling them how to apply for an absentee ballot.

Meanwhile, a federal court in Texas ruled Tuesday evening that voters there could cite fear of contracting the virus as a legitimate excuse for requesting an absentee ballot. The state has among the strictest requirements in the country for voting absentee, which is generally only available for those over age 65, who have a disability or illness, or will be out of the state during the election.

State officials are hostile to efforts to expand mail-in voting, and Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton vowed to appeal the decision to the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.
taurine
Posted: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:44:45 PM

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It seems to me that the proper safeguarding measures applied on to the post stamp might be most important.
The post stamp affixed to the voting card should be equipped with the security protection features. These security protection measures applied to the post stamp must have at least the same standards of strictness as the bank notes—issued by the Federal Bank—have. The post stamps must all be the same, across the whole country. One and only one for every entitled citizen, and without a right to the "duplicate" in the event if the voter would have claimed that, it was damaged by accident while laundering his socks.

As to the voting cards, I think that, employing experts who are disabled on account of their blindness might be beneficial.
Blind people could be valuable with their knowledge as to the verification of the authenticity of the voting card.

Hopefully, their payroll manager will not be blind.
Oscar D. Grouch
Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:25:14 AM

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taurine wrote:
It seems to me that the proper safeguarding measures applied on to the post stamp might be most important.
The post stamp affixed to the voting card should be equipped with the security protection features. These security protection measures applied to the post stamp must have at least the same standards of strictness as the bank notes—issued by the Federal Bank—have. The post stamps must all be the same, across the whole country. One and only one for every entitled citizen, and without a right to the "duplicate" in the event if the voter would have claimed that, it was damaged by accident while laundering his socks.


I would not like to live in a world with traceable stamps as you suggest. Stamps could be stolen and then used to falsely incriminate someone by sending hate mail or death threats for example.

For what it's worth, I live in a state with mail in voting. Before sending in the ballot, the outside of the envelope is signed and dated. The security of the ballot is confirmed by comparing the signature with what's on file with county records, i.e., a person's voter registration. Vote by mail works great. You don't have to go anywhere, there are no lines, the ballot even comes with a postage prepaid return envelope.
taurine
Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:08:25 AM

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Oscar D. Grouch wrote:
taurine wrote:
It seems to me that the proper safeguarding measures applied on to the post stamp might be most important.
The post stamp affixed to the voting card should be equipped with the security protection features. These security protection measures applied to the post stamp must have at least the same standards of strictness as the bank notes—issued by the Federal Bank—have. The post stamps must all be the same, across the whole country. One and only one for every entitled citizen, and without a right to the "duplicate" in the event if the voter would have claimed that, it was damaged by accident while laundering his socks.


I would not like to live in a world with traceable stamps as you suggest. Stamps could be stolen and then used to falsely incriminate someone by sending hate mail or death threats for example.

For what it's worth, I live in a state with mail in voting. Before sending in the ballot, the outside of the envelope is signed and dated. The security of the ballot is confirmed by comparing the signature with what's on file with county records, i.e., a person's voter registration. Vote by mail works great. You don't have to go anywhere, there are no lines, the ballot even comes with a postage prepaid return envelope.


Traceable stamps? If in the same way as the bank notes are, then 'Yes'.

Stolen stamps? Bogus excuse, handy for anarchists.
Death threats? Another example of abuse in the form of applying imagination to justify personal misdoings, and escape prosecution for earlier committed wrong; sometimes called as red-herring.

The outside of the envelope is signed? By placing a hand—written signature? Oh, no. It is so easy to falsify.

Comparing the signature with the specimen? Again, no, not in this way. It is strongly possible that this process is flawed as riddled with opportunities leading to the fulfilment of illicit obligations.

Postage should not be prepaid. People do not respect things for free. It is like "free meal", that is, you can have as much as you wish. You are filling up to the max. your plate, and then half of that lands in the bin. No. The charge for postage could be symbolic, for example, $1.
Kirill Vorobyov
Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:51:19 AM

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There is an amazing international coordination of all this.

In Russia we never had voting by mail. But now the legislation to make it happen is forced through the Parliament in full synchronization with efforts to expand voting by mail in the US. I don't know about other countries but would not be surprised at all to see a similar effort underway pretty much in all important countries.
Romany
Posted: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:38:26 AM
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In the UK and Australia, in most of Europe, I know, from experience, that one can vote by mail. Due to the extraordinary circumstances, even countries which haven't had it before are considering it if they need to vote in the middle of a global pandemic.

The USA is the only developed country which finds the process so risky they want to ban it. Except for the President and his family.
Oscar D. Grouch
Posted: Saturday, May 23, 2020 3:16:34 AM

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taurine wrote:
Traceable stamps? If in the same way as the bank notes are, then 'Yes'.


Cash is still anonymous!

taurine wrote:
Stolen stamps? Bogus excuse, handy for anarchists.
Death threats? Another example of abuse in the form of applying imagination to justify personal misdoings, and escape prosecution for earlier committed wrong; sometimes called as red-herring.

The outside of the envelope is signed? By placing a hand—written signature? Oh, no. It is so easy to falsify.

Comparing the signature with the specimen? Again, no, not in this way. It is strongly possible that this process is flawed as riddled with opportunities leading to the fulfilment of illicit obligations.

Postage should not be prepaid. People do not respect things for free. It is like "free meal", that is, you can have as much as you wish. You are filling up to the max. your plate, and then half of that lands in the bin. No. The charge for postage could be symbolic, for example, $1.


My state has had vote by mail for about 10 years. There has been no voter fraud in that time. The claim of voter fraud with vote by mail is a myth fabricated by the banana republicans designed to disenfranchise voters.
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