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vipin viswanathan
Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:49:26 AM

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Does anybody who the difference of Infused righteousness versus Imputed righteousness?

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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:00:43 AM
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I would assume "infused" here to mean "innate" i.e. someone who is righteous because they are a naturally good person.

While "imputed" could be described as "having a reputation for" being righteous. Being described as righteous doesn't necessarily mean that one IS righteous. It may all be an act intended to fool people into thinking them good.

So I assumme that what they are discussing are people who really ARE righteous V people who SAY (or of whom others say) that they are righteous.
FounDit
Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:37:44 AM

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Just to add a bit, righteousness can be defined as being "right-wise", or wise in doing the right things.

If a person has a strong sense of justice, or right and wrong, and chooses right most of the time, then that would be an "infused" righteousness because it comes from within the person.

"Imputed" righteousness means simply to say, or declare that someone is righteous. It's what another person says about someone. It may be true, or it may not be true.
Epiphileon
Posted: Friday, May 15, 2020 8:51:03 AM

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vipin viswanathan wrote:
Does anybody who the difference of Infused righteousness versus Imputed righteousness?


Hi Vipin, could you please supply some context?
vipin viswanathan
Posted: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:56:17 AM

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Epiphileon wrote:
vipin viswanathan wrote:
Does anybody who the difference of Infused righteousness versus Imputed righteousness?


Hi Vipin, could you please supply some context?


Thomas Aquinas taught Infused righteousness and Martin Luther taught Imputed righteousness. It has been a debate between Catholic and protestants. I happened to read recently only. It is a little tough language for me.
Epiphileon
Posted: Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:44:07 AM

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Good Morning Vipin, (well it is here and now)
First I would set aside the words infused and imputed as their usage by the two theologians would be considered archaic and modern definitions can be problematic. Since you posted this in the P&R forum I'm assuming you weren't really that concerned with the vocabulary.

I would say that it is far more than a debate between Catholics and Protestants, it is the core and foundational difference between these two Biblical religions and why each views the other as heretical. How a person is regarded as righteous is either the result of the things a person does in relation to God as is the Catholic belief i.e.
Wikipedia wrote:
The doctrine states that through keeping the commands of Christ, regular confession and penance, and receiving the sacraments, God's grace/righteousness is "infused" in believers more and more over time, and their own "righteousness in the flesh" becomes subsumed into God's righteousness.

or it is entirely a function of the faith in God that results in a person appealing to God for salvation.

Wikipedia wrote:
Luther asserted that Christians receive that righteousness entirely from outside themselves; that righteousness not only comes from Christ, it actually is the righteousness of Christ, and remains outside of us but is merely imputed to us (rather than infused into us) through faith.


Of the two positions, only Luther's can be entirely supported on the basis of Biblical text.

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Thank you Epi. Interesting info I had never heard before.
vipin viswanathan
Posted: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 9:26:33 AM

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Thanks for the reply.

We received righteousness as a gift and outside of ourselves. Then the Bible demands us to walk in the righteousness we received. How is it possible? So there is some sort of infusion or impartation happening. Right?

it is the toughest question for me to find an answer.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 4:33:25 PM

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vipin viswanathan wrote:
Thanks for the reply.

We received righteousness as a gift and outside of ourselves. Then the Bible demands us to walk in the righteousness we received. How is it possible? So there is some sort of infusion or impartation happening. Right?

it is the toughest question for me to find an answer.

The Protestant definition as Luther explained it, which lies outside of ourselves, comes to us according to the Bible because Jesus paid for our sins, and through Him we are forgiven and declared to be righteous.

However, we know we aren't perfect, so we are encouraged to admit our sins, our inability to be perfect, ask for forgiveness when we do sin, and always try to do better. It is the constant striving to be better that confirms our faith and maintains our state of righteousness.
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(Sorry this was incredibly delayed Vipin I remembered I hadn't finished it when I saw your post about justice.)

Well Vipin you're addressing a deep doctrinal issue here which even among protestant denominations there is not a complete consensus. Martin Luther as one of the first protestant theologians, of course, did not get everything right, he did get a few things incontrovertibly correct the most important of which was his rallying cry of "sola Scriptura". As you confront doctrinal issues like this you will find that nearly all of the established denominations have slightly different to profoundly different interpretations on the fundamental doctrines of the Bible, which is odd but given human nature, understandable.

Vipin wrote:
We received righteousness as a gift and outside of ourselves. Then the Bible demands us to walk in the righteousness we received. How is it possible? So there is some sort of infusion or impartation happening. Right?


Well, this is a bit difficult Vipin as I don't know what base you're coming from Catholic or Protestant, I am well familiar with both. Unfortunately, if you are coming from a Catholic base then just about nothing I say from this point on will be in line with their teachings. When it comes to Biblical Doctrine Martin Luther did indeed invalidate the Catholic church's fundamental teaching of the nature of salvation and the process of a believer's sanctification (living righteously) on the basis of Biblical authority.

You seem to be hung up on the notion of righteousness and I'm not sure how exactly you are using that. There is the righteousness that is yours at salvation, the moment that Christ's sacrifice on the cross becomes applicable to you, that righteousness is how God sees you, it makes you acceptable to be in his presence for all of your sins are at that moment forgiven, actually, your soul is wiped clean, as is said: "washed in the blood of the Lamb".

Then there is the righteousness of your behavior which will increase over time as you live your life in accordance with the precepts of discipleship, this is the one I think you are asking about. It is important to know the difference.

Let me see if I can help by giving you a brief synopsis of what I am convinced the Bible actually teaches about salvation.

First of all, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23. This is but one verse that speaks to the depravity (sinful nature) of man. The doctrine of man's depravity is well established and universally accepted throughout Christendom.

There is only one path to salvation and that is through Jesus Christ, " Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." John 14:6

Salvation is a gift from God there is nothing, absolutely nothing that a human can do to earn salvation. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 We'll come back to this passage with the addition of verse 10 because I suspect it speaks directly to your issue but first.

How does someone become a Christian in the first place?
There is only one way, a conscious and sincere appeal to Jesus Christ to become the Lord of your life, and only by doing that does He become your Savior.

You will often hear evangelists quote Romans 10:9 "...if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;" This is commonly interpreted to mean if you believe that Jesus Christ was who the Bible says he was and you testify to it, you will be saved. That is not the requirement of salvation.

Here is the requirement of salvation...

"Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me." Mathew 16:24

I'm saying all this Vipin because it is my conviction that attempting to live as a disciple of Christ without this level of understanding and commitment is impossible. To walk in the righteousness of God as described in the Bible is to be a Christian in thought, word, and deed, and to do so with as much consistency as possible. This is a daunting task. The way to do that is completely outlined in the Bible and begins with a commitment to reading the Word and considering its meaning on a daily basis. It is also of considerable help to find a fellowship of other Christians with a similar commitment.

However, the good news is if you have a good Biblical understanding of what it takes to be a Christian then the Bible also gives you all the tools needed to do so you just need to read it.

You should know that I do not agree that there actually is any such thing as the God of the Bible. I did at one time and was actually an evangelical minister for a number of years. I have profound respect for people who become true disciples of the Christ described in the Bible and none whatsoever for the vast majority of hypocrites that claim to be. The life of a true disciple can be a very rewarding and fulfilling experience though and I wish you luck should you choose to pursue it.



vipin viswanathan
Posted: Monday, June 29, 2020 4:05:04 AM

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I am a pentacostal guy!

But I got discouraged at the behaviour of pastors. Most of the Pentecostals are preaching prosperity and faith with the hope that church members would be rich and hence the pastor himself be rich. I spoke against this attitude and a group of pastors take me as a threat. They tortured my mind speaking against me on the pulpit. if I go to any church, they would inform about me anywhere in the world. I understood the pastors have some kind of communication channel that use it to crush people like me. Later, I went to an American Calvinist church. The white people over there are highly racist. I noticed that ladies are not racist. I spoke against their racism and religious mindset. They turned against me and treated me as their enemy. At first, nobody believes my story because they have a story which is 80% truth and 15% lie. Now, I got a few Christian friends who support me. However, I decided not to go to any church. Because church has fallen. I have found many reasons for that fall. It is hard for a true believer to stay in faith mainly because of these fallen pastors. This is end-time.

I decided to study more on salvation. I found this infused/imparted righteousness.

Epiphileon wrote:
Then there is the righteousness of your behaviour which will increase over time as you live your life in accordance with the precepts of discipleship, this is the one I think you are asking about. It is important to know the difference.

Yes, for a Christian to possible to walk in the spirit, it is a gradual process. So, I believe some kind of infusion happening. Also, our spirit man is made righteous and hence we are already righteous as catholic teach.

I went through many painful experiences of a higher degree of torture in mind. I fell into depression and now healed. I am not quitting on Jesus. Because I know he loves me. I quit churches because they have fallen so badly. Pastors are evil-manic, ego-manic, conscious-less beasts, perverts, actors, unrighteous, without any discerning, follows some formula in their church programs, seeking fame and money.

I encourage all you to believe in Jesus. He is the true bread from Heaven. Salvation is in Jesus alone. He is the life and resurrection. He will resurrect us to life on the last day.
Come to Jesus and believe in him; then you will not thirst nor hunger.


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Evangelical Christianity. The righteousness of Christ is IMPUTED to believers (treated as if Christs own righteousness is ours) because of that faith in Christ. It is on this basis alone that God accepts us. We are Baptized as a witness to others and Christ works within us to change us. It is solely on the basis of Jesus’ righteousness that mankind is acceptable to God, not our actions or good deeds. Sin can however break fellowship between us and God.

Grace alone through faith alone through the ministrations of Christ alone. Anotherwards when God looks at me, He sees His righteousness because I believed in Him, not my actions or deeds. There is no fear of being acceptable to God or to enter Heaven. This to me is true Christianity.

Catholic Christianity. A deposit of righteousness is INFUSED into someone. It is initiated by Baptism (persons actions), fed by the Eucharist (persons actions), preserved by avoiding sin (persons actions) and it grows over time. God then analyzes the soul to see if there is enough righteousness. If not complete, then off to Purgatory (unscriptual)
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