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navi
Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:15:24 PM
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Which are correct:


1) The place for this casserole is on the stove to cook.

2) The right place for this casserole is on the stove to cook.

3) The place for this casserole is on the stove for it to cook.
4) The right place for this casserole is on the stove for it to cook.

Gratefully,
Navi
tautophile
Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:55:57 PM
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Aren't casseroles supposed to be cooked in an oven? (The ones my mother used to make were.)
navi
Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:56:38 AM
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Thank you very much, Tautophile,

You are quite right. My apologies.

Here is the correct version of my question:


1) The place for this casserole is in the oven to cook.
2) The right place for this casserole is in the oven to cook.

3) The place for this casserole is in the oven for it to cook.

4) The right place for this casserole is in the oven for it to cook.

Gratefully,
Navi

thar
Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:15:26 AM

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These are not grammatically incorrect but they are not natural sentences.

You are combining two ideas
where it should be
and
why it should be there

These seem to be answers to different questions.


Assuming you mean the actual casserole - meat and water and vegetables:
Where should I put the casserole?
in the oven
- you can assume you put it there to cook. You don't store food in an oven.

What should I do with the casserole?
Put it in the oven to cook
(that means put it in the oven so that it can cook)

You would not say 'the place for the casserole is....'. That is not natural.



If you mean the empty dish - that has a place where it belongs. You put it back there when you have finished with it so you know where to find it next time.

Your roommate has put the casserole dish away in the cupboard you use for cloths and towels.
(Yes, I know, that makes no sense, but maybe he is both lazy and an idiot!)
You find it and tell him off.
"The place for the casserole is in the cupboard under the worktop, with all the other pots and pans".

tautophile
Posted: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:12:31 PM
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I would say "The place for this casserole to cook is in the oven" or "the place to cook this casserole is [in] the oven". I see no need for the word "right", but if you want it, it should come before the word "place": "the right place...". Thar explains things well, and also notes that "casserole" can mean "a large deep pan that casseroles are cooked and served in". Usually, though, if you say "casserole", you mean the meal, not the container it's cooked in.
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