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Past Perfect in negative Options
nightdream
Posted: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:10:35 PM

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How to build this sentence correctly using Past Perfect in negative -

"did not have + V-3" or "had not + V-3"?


1/ "Spinning around" meant that the man "did not have gone away" and had been going around their house and walking back and forth near their house.

2/ "Spinning around" meant that the man "had not gone away" and had been going around their house and walking back and forth near their house.


And does "spin around" express "walking back and forth near something"?
FounDit
Posted: Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:17:38 PM

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nightdream wrote:
How to build this sentence correctly using Past Perfect in negative -

"did not have + V-3" or "had not + V-3"?


1/ "Spinning around" meant that the man "did not have gone away" and had been going around their house and walking back and forth near their house.

2/ "Spinning around" meant that the man "had not gone away" and had been going around their house and walking back and forth near their house.


And does "spin around" express "walking back and forth near something"?

No, it doesn't. If someone is said to "spin around", or is "spinning around", it means their body is turning around and around in one place.

In your sentence, 2/, if the man "had not gone away", but "had been" walking around their house, and walking back and forth near their house, the informal common phrase is that he is "hanging around" their house.

More formally, he is always walking around the house, or standing near the house, and refuses to leave.
nightdream
Posted: Friday, March 13, 2020 3:20:41 PM

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FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
How to build this sentence correctly using Past Perfect in negative -

"did not have + V-3" or "had not + V-3"?


1/ "Spinning around" meant that the man "did not have gone away" and had been going around their house and walking back and forth near their house.

2/ "Spinning around" meant that the man "had not gone away" and had been going around their house and walking back and forth near their house.


And does "spin around" express "walking back and forth near something"?

No, it doesn't. If someone is said to "spin around", or is "spinning around", it means their body is turning around and around in one place.

In your sentence, 2/, if the man "had not gone away", but "had been" walking around their house, and walking back and forth near their house, the informal common phrase is that he is "hanging around" their house.

More formally, he is always walking around the house, or standing near the house, and refuses to leave.



Which of the two options is correct in Past Perfect - "did not have gone away" or "had not gone away"?
nightdream
Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2020 5:31:11 AM

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FounDit wrote:
nightdream wrote:
How to build this sentence correctly using Past Perfect in negative -

"did not have + V-3" or "had not + V-3"?


1/ "Spinning around" meant that the man "did not have gone away" and had been going around their house and walking back and forth near their house.

2/ "Spinning around" meant that the man "had not gone away" and had been going around their house and walking back and forth near their house.


And does "spin around" express "walking back and forth near something"?

No, it doesn't. If someone is said to "spin around", or is "spinning around", it means their body is turning around and around in one place.

In your sentence, 2/, if the man "had not gone away", but "had been" walking around their house, and walking back and forth near their house, the informal common phrase is that he is "hanging around" their house.

More formally, he is always walking around the house, or standing near the house, and refuses to leave.



Have you meant that the second option with "had + V3" was correct as opposed to "did not have + V3"?
BobShilling
Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:50:08 AM
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nightdream wrote:

Which of the two options is correct in Past Perfect - "did not have gone away" or "had not gone away"?


Only the second.
nightdream
Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:33:54 PM

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"Spinning around" meant (Past Simple) that the man "had not gone away" (Past Perfect?) and had been going around their house and walking back and forth near their house.

Does "had not V3" mean Past Perfect in negative?
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:43:12 PM

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Your example sentence is not helpful, as it has different things which do not work in English. Try a new simpler one.

She hadn't eaten her dinner.
She didn't have eaten her dinner.

He was walking around. He hadn't gone away.

He was walking around. He didn't have gone away.
nightdream
Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2020 2:03:53 PM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Your example sentence is not helpful, as it has different things which do not work in English. Try a new simpler one.

She hadn't eaten her dinner.
She didn't have eaten her dinner.

He was walking around. He hadn't gone away.

He was walking around. He didn't have gone away.



Thank you very much. I did not practise English for long and forgot many things that I had known earlier.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2020 2:15:05 PM

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nightdream wrote:
I did not practise English for long and forgot many things that I had known earlier.

Yes.
"Practise makes perfect" - but it can take a lot of time!

Your English is not perfect yet - but it's not bad!
nightdream
Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2020 2:15:41 PM

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Drag0nspeaker wrote:
Your example sentence is not helpful, as it has different things which do not work in English. Try a new simpler one.

She hadn't eaten her dinner.
She didn't have eaten her dinner.

He was walking around. He hadn't gone away.

He was walking around. He didn't have gone away.


DragOnspeaker, could you answer me this: http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/postst198375_Past-Simple---Present-Simple.aspx ?
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