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DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:19:52 AM

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Hi teachers,
I think at the end present perfect without the preposition "since/for" says, "I have/I haven't, at any time before, under any circumstances , done that".
It also asks, "Have you, at any time, under any circumstances, done that?".

To me, all the examples below match with that idea. What do you think?


He has/hasn't gone to Paris.
She has/hasn't been in Mexico.
I have/haven't read the book.

He has traveled to Paris twice.
She has been in Mexico three times.
I have read the book a few times.

He hasn't traveled to Paris twice. He has traveled there only once.
She hasn't been in Mexico three times. She has been there many times.
I haven't read the book a few times. I have read it only once.

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He has/hasn't lost his key.
He has/hasn't broken his leg.
I have/haven't clean my bedroom.

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I have/haven't studied hard this week.
It has/hasn't rained a lot this year.
I have/haven't seen her today.

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I have never traveled to Germany.

Thanks.
thar
Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:27:30 AM

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This doesn't work for
gone to
been to
been in


I have gone to Paris twice.
I can't think you would ever say this except if you are talking about the journeys, and that would probably involve a time. Since you have clearly returned, the verb is 'been to'.

I have been to Mexico twice.

Not
'been in'
I have been in prison
I have been in trouble
but not 'I have been in Mexico' unless it is describing your static condition when something happens.
I have been in Mexico City during a festival. It was great to see. I have been in the Caribbean during hurricane season, but I have never actually experienced any hurricanes.
Ie I was there, in that place, when something happened.

Telling that story in the past tense, it would be:
I was in Mexico city during a festival.
Since that is an experience you remember to this day, you can use the present perfect about it, describing the experience.
DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:39:49 AM

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thar wrote:
This doesn't work for
gone to
been to
been in

Hi thar,
Thanks for pointing them out.
Then except those ones, does the explanation work for the rest, I mean actions/activities in general?


David.


pjharvey
Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 6:19:11 AM
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David, thar's explanation is aimed at pointing out that you didn't use the correct verbs and prepositions in your examples, but all of your examples, when corrected, match with the idea you expressed.
It's just that the present perfect of "to go" is "been", and not "gone", when the meaning that you want to express is "going to a place and then coming back". If you use "gone" it means that there has been no coming back. E.g., if you say "she's gone" it means that she's no longer there, but somewhere else.
When you use "been" with that meaning (to go to a place and then come back), the correct preposition to use is "to", not "in".
DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 6:20:10 AM

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thar wrote:
I have gone to Paris twice.
I can't think you would ever say this except if you are talking about the journeys, and that would probably involve a time. Since you have clearly returned, the verb is 'been to'.


Sorry I meant, "He has traveled to Paris twice."
I have already corrected it in my first thread.
DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 6:27:25 AM

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pjharvey wrote:
David, thar's explanation is aimed at pointing out that you didn't use the correct verbs and prepositions in your examples, but all of your examples, when corrected, match with the idea you expressed.
It's just that the present perfect of "to go" is "been", and not "gone", when the meaning that you want to express is "going to a place and then coming back". If you use "gone" it means that there has been no coming back. E.g., if you say "she's gone" it means that she's no longer there, but somewhere else.
When you use "been" with that meaning (to go to a place and then come back), the correct preposition to use is "to", not "in".

Hi pjharvey,
I appreciate your reply and explanations. Now I get it.

Then in general I can say that that explanation for the present perfect works.

David.
DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 6:43:33 AM

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Hi again,
These explanation are correct; right?
"He has gone to Paris" means he's there or on his way to Paris.
"He has been to Paris" means he's visited Paris, but now he's back or somewhere else.
"He has been in Paris for two months" means he's in Paris now and has been there for the past two months.

David.
pjharvey
Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 6:46:03 AM
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Yes, correct.

You can also check this site for the correct use of the present perfect of "to go":

https://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/lessons/been-or-gone

The exercises are very useful, I think.
DavidLearn
Posted: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 6:48:27 AM

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pjharvey wrote:
Yes, correct.

You can also check this site for the correct use of the present perfect of "to go":

https://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/lessons/been-or-gone

The exercises are very useful, I think.


Sure! I'll use it in my classes. Angel

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