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Oscar D. Grouch
Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:35:53 PM

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Like any other 6th grade bully on the playground, donny tRump likes nicknames. First there was "little Marco" and then came "crooked Hilary." His Kool-Aid followers really swallowed that one. Then came "pencil neck Adam Schiff" which he used to sell t-shirts as a fund raiser. Now there's "sleepy Joe."

I guess it's time we give donny his own nickname. There are so many outstanding qualities he has it's difficult to know which to choose from. He's honored Christian voters by committing adultery against all three of his wives. He had sex with a porn star and then tried to pay her off to keep her mouth shut. That didn't work out so well. I wouldn't be surprised if Melania now has her own bedroom. Anyways, he lies with just about every utterance that exudes from from his demented brain. He'll say one thing to get more Kool-Aid followers and then, in true Orwellian fashion, does the exact opposite. His former lawyer called him a "racist, conman and a cheat." He called neo nazis "very fine people." There's just so much! How does one go about choosing? Well, it has to get air time so names like "lying sack of sh:t" or "pu$$y grabber" are probably out (you can't chant those at rallies though we probably should). You'd want it to be derogatory, but in a condescending way...

Wait, I've got it!!!


"Dirt Bag donny"


So go vote for "Dirt Bag donny" in 2020 and "Make Russia great again!"
towan52
Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:47:44 PM
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Personally, I'm still chuckling over "Captain Sphincter Blossom"!
Paulo Rogério 7
Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:44:55 PM

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Much better
jacobusmaximus
Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 6:33:04 AM

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I fear you are taking yourselves down to his level. Better to remain above all that.
towan52
Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 8:51:24 AM
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jacobusmaximus wrote:
I fear you are taking yourselves down to his level. Better to remain above all that.


I also fear - but my fear is that the moral high-ground in the US has become notable only by its absinth Whistle Lowest common denominator is the benchmark for politics here.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 4:01:32 PM

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There is a person who (arguably) has more power than any other nation's leader. He is using that power for personal gain and targets those who disagree with him. He feeds off of fear like any schoolyard bully and sees respect and kindness from others as a weakness to exploit. Speaking about him as if he was a legitimate leader or even a person worthy of respect would only be feeding his neurosis.

There are surely other ways for the rest of the world to talk about him, but showing him respect that he has never earned would be counterproductive. His only real value right now is as endless material for comedians and late night talk show hosts, and Captain Sphincter Blossom is quite simply the least offensive nickname he is worthy of. Anything nicer and we are demeaning ourselves by assigning him too much respect.
jj.smith
Posted: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 10:28:23 PM
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Address his ego directly. During the 2016 republican primaries, it came to pass that Trump was defending the size of his penis to the entire nation. Simply call him...

"Tiny Trump"
BobShilling
Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2019 2:33:59 AM
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jacobusmaximus wrote:
I fear you are taking yourselves down to his level. Better to remain above all that.

There is also the risk that using such words/expressions of the person who is, after all, the legally elected President of the United States of America, will harden support for him among those who cannot tolerate any disrespect of their country or its institutions.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Thursday, May 2, 2019 1:08:26 PM

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BobShilling wrote:
jacobusmaximus wrote:
I fear you are taking yourselves down to his level. Better to remain above all that.

There is also the risk that using such words/expressions of the person who is, after all, the legally elected President of the United States of America, will harden support for him among those who cannot tolerate any disrespect of their country or its institutions.


What I see as the result of this is that one side is censored and the other is not. And the idea that someone who is legally elected president being beyond disrespect does not fly. Obama received more death threats than any other president in US history. To say that somehow now the president deserves respect when before it obviously was not the case is not realistic in my eyes.
Oscar D. Grouch
Posted: Saturday, May 4, 2019 7:40:18 AM

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BobShilling wrote:
There is also the risk that using such words/expressions of the person who is, after all, the legally elected President...


Legally elected?

You mean like Augusto Pinochet and Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Saturday, May 4, 2019 10:10:17 AM

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I see a lot of this going on globally and I believe there is a common thread. Those who are not invested in the issues at hand find it easier to distance themselves and believe that the only response should be an academic treatise, with citations, that will cause eyes to glaze over and attention spans to plummet. Whereas those who are in it up to their elbows know that the "high road" doesn't really matter and hasn't mattered for many years because people have become numb to the monotonous droning of those preaching from the high road, who then refuse to get their hands dirty when action (marching, protesting, boycotting, yelling, cursing) is needed. All the hand-wringing and tsk-tsking when people show their emotions only serve to highlight the fact that those removed from the issues don't have any skin in the game.

There are times and places for everything. There are times for the monotonous droning of legalese laying out the criminal and treasonous activities of the current occupant of the White House. And there are times to just let people know what Captain Sphincter Blossom has done this time to further damage the US and its citizens and give comedians all over the world more material than they could ever have hoped for. If you are not worked up about what the nincompoop has done, that's fine and you can count yourself lucky to have avoided the fallout. But there are those of us with family and friends who are being affected by him and his cult and we choose not to take that ineffectual high road.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Monday, May 6, 2019 2:17:33 AM

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Academics can communicate with other academics very efficiently, just like IT people communicate with other IT people well. However, for the most part, they do not communicate well with those outside their group when they talk shop. One of the things I like about forums like this is the ability to read some of those "insider" conversations. They can be informative and even enlightening. But they are not stimulating, evocative, eye-opening, or motivating. There is a time and a place for the academic discussion and then there is the time for the protest discussion and they are not the same.
BobShilling
Posted: Monday, May 6, 2019 8:57:56 AM
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BobShilling wrote:
jacobusmaximus wrote:
I fear you are taking yourselves down to his level. Better to remain above all that.

There is also the risk that using such words/expressions of the person who is, after all, the legally elected President of the United States of America, will harden support for him among those who cannot tolerate any disrespect of their country or its institutions.


I added a comment to that of jacobusmaximus. I have been surprised by some of the reactions.

Oscar D. Grouch wrote:
Legally elected?

You mean like Augusto Pinochet and Mohammad Reza Pahlavi?

Pinochet achieved power by a military coup.
Pahlavi came to power when his father was deposed following a British-Soviet invasion of Iran.
Trump was elected - in accordance with the law - by a majority vote in the Electoral College.

While there may well have been outside attempts to influence the vote in the last American presidential election, I don't think putting his election on a par with the coming to power of those two leaders serves any real purpose - except perhaps to harden his support among people who can claim that Trump's opponents have no faith in the American electoral system. It was OK when JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton and Obama were elected, but there's something wrong with it when Trump gets elected.



progpen wrote:

What I see as the result of this is that one side is censored and the other is not. And the idea that someone who is legally elected president being beyond disrespect does not fly. [...] To say that somehow now the president deserves respect when before it obviously was not the case is not realistic in my eyes.

I said none of those things. I simply pointed out what I see as one of the risks of calling POTUS names.

progpen wrote:
I see a lot of this going on globally and I believe there is a common thread. Those who are not invested in the issues at hand find it easier to distance themselves and believe that the only response should be an academic treatise, with citations, that will cause eyes to glaze over and attention spans to plummet. Whereas those who are in it up to their elbows know that the "high road" doesn't really matter and hasn't mattered for many years because people have become numb to the monotonous droning of those preaching from the high road, who then refuse to get their hands dirty when action (marching, protesting, boycotting, yelling, cursing) is needed. All the hand-wringing and tsk-tsking when people show their emotions only serve to highlight the fact that those removed from the issues don't have any skin in the game.


Wow! Is this all because two members suggested that calling Trump names such as "Dirt Bag donny", "Captain Sphincter Blossom" or "Tiny Trump" might not be a good idea?


progpen wrote:
"His only real value right now is as endless material for comedians and late night talk show hosts"

Despite all the efforts of the comedians and talk show hosts, Trump became president. Indeed, I think it likely that the massive exposure he gained may well have gained him support among the millions of American voters who view those do not not agree with them as sanctimonious, communist, queer-loving, baby-murdering, immigrant-loving, American hating ****s.

I, personally, think that Trump is the most dangerous - for the USA and the world - American president to be in office in my lifetime (73 years). I just happen to believe that name-calling is not the way to ensure his defeat in 2020.

philips daughter
Posted: Monday, May 6, 2019 10:43:53 AM

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Name calling got tRump elected.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Monday, May 6, 2019 1:32:42 PM

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BobShilling and Philips daughter, I stand by my words and will continue to do so. I never would have replied in the first place if statements hadn't been made that fighting back is somehow counterproductive. The concept of using nicknames to bring dictators, royalty, and other dangerous people in power down to our level is as old as we are. Trying to say that all of the sudden it shouldn't be allowed is not at all realistic. It has been how us lowly peasants have minimized the terror that people in power have showered down on us and is a coping mechanism that works and has worked for as long as we have lived together in social groups.

There are piss pots with Napolean Bonaparte as well as many other leaders that still sell for a goodly amount at auction. Now, how are nicknames worse than piss pots?

BobShilling
Posted: Monday, May 6, 2019 3:08:35 PM
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progpen wrote:
Trying to say that all of the sudden it shouldn't be allowed is not at all realistic.

Nobody said that!

I am used to the tactics of one Trump-supporting member of this forum who criticises things that have never been said. I am disappointed that you appear to be using the same approach.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Monday, May 6, 2019 5:31:11 PM

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BobShilling wrote:
progpen wrote:
Trying to say that all of the sudden it shouldn't be allowed is not at all realistic.

Nobody said that!

I am used to the tactics of one Trump-supporting member of this forum who criticises things that have never been said. I am disappointed that you appear to be using the same approach.


LOL, I'll try to live with your disappointment. But in the meantime, you might try being less judgemental of people who don't use the precise vocabulary you seem to require when discussing politics.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Monday, May 6, 2019 10:08:55 PM

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I've read through the thread - I have not been involved in it.

The original messages I see are from Jacobusmaximus - "I fear you are taking yourselves down to his level. Better to remain above all that" - and from BobShilling - There is also the risk that using such words/expressions of the person who is, after all, the legally elected President of the United States of America, will harden support for him among those who cannot tolerate any disrespect of their country or its institutions.

Neither of these is in any way saying that name-calling should not be allowed - just that name-calling could be a bit counter-productive (by hardening the resolve of a few Trump supporters).

Definitely, neither of these two members say that Trump should be respected! God forbid!

The fact (Phillips Daughter) that name-calling actually influenced many of the voters and got Trump elected is an indication of the intelligence (at least on this subject) of much of the American population (not the people on this forum - all actually 'thinkers' - but the McCarthy-types).
Hope123
Posted: Monday, May 6, 2019 11:18:17 PM

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It really is a dilemma with the way some leaders (right here in Canada) use spin, half-truths, and lies to attack their opponents, use ad hominem, and fire up their supporters with fear and anger.

It is frustrating when you see it happening and don't know how to combat it. Not only for those public figures being attacked, but for supporters.

To ignore it? To fight back? To lower yourself to their level?

The new leader of the federal Conservative party of Canada, Scheer, is doing just that and his polls have gone up. He has no policies of his own. He just relentlessly attacks everything the PM says or does often twisting he truth. So far Prime Minister Trudeau has not fought back nor will he resort to name calling. He has just gone on with the business of the country and has stuck pretty much to his last campaign slogan of "Sunny Ways". Although he did have his lawyer tell the Con leader to cease and desist calling him corrupt or he would sue him. Scheer ceased and desisted and now taunts that Trudeau didn't sue him. lol And Scheer's supporters love it.

But I can see the frustration levels of the Left on Twitter increasing and some of their language is starting to look like that of the Right. In fact I mentioned that today. Several people I chat with have taken a break and I may too. I have not used foul language and have always been civil, while still getting my point across, but one does tend to get annoyed with all the baloney.

So what to do? Turn the other cheek while they say, "Thank you very much!" Or hit back. Or lower yourself to their level? I think Jacobus may have a point about self respect, and Bob too about the name calling cementing the supporters, but I also think that telling the truth has to be done, even though it will probably also cement their opinions. And I also feel for Proggy with the unfairness of it all.

I tend to find the facts and present them civilly, only to find they don't want facts when it disagrees with what they have decided is their opinion. However, other than saying "Scheer lies" in response to a baloney tweet, I've managed to stay civil, using my time here on the Forum as a learning experience. And there are many decent folks on Twitter who act the same way and are critical thinkers. If we see something new, we go check it out to make sure it is authentic before retweeting. I have actually learned a lot doing research, similarly to how I have learned a lot being on this Forum.

BTW - I don't know their origin but the trolls and bots are out in full force against the Liberals in Canada and the Democrats in the US. You can tell their accounts easily and report and block but there are so many we can't keep up, nor can Twitter, I expect. So citizens beware. There is money and there are paid forces out there working to sway both elections. Getting the facts instead of just reading headlines is essential.


Cross posted with Drago. Just read his post. Agree with his analysis.
Lotje1000
Posted: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 3:04:00 AM

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progpen wrote:
BobShilling wrote:
progpen wrote:
Trying to say that all of the sudden it shouldn't be allowed is not at all realistic.

Nobody said that!

I am used to the tactics of one Trump-supporting member of this forum who criticises things that have never been said. I am disappointed that you appear to be using the same approach.


LOL, I'll try to live with your disappointment. But in the meantime, you might try being less judgemental of people who don't use the precise vocabulary you seem to require when discussing politics.


I'm with Drag0 on this one. Bob and Prog just have a different approach in how to talk about the current PotUS. There were no demands to start respecting the PotUS.

And I'm also with Bob about this post. Imo, Progpen was misinterpreting posts and doubling down when confronted. Honestly, a response like "LOL, I'll try to live with your disappointment." is the type of line I'd expect from FounDit.

Nobody in this thread (at the time of posting) likes Trump or wants to see him reelected. People are just really, really tired of dealing with him. Some people are tired of taking the moral high ground and remaining respectful in the face of tons of disrespect from Trump supporters. Others believe that remaining reasonable will stand a greater chance of convincing others to vote against Trump. Some are just royally pissed off by it all. These opinions are all fine and if we can't share them here to discuss them, then how are we supposed to ever get anywhere?

BobShilling
Posted: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 3:52:24 AM
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Lotje1000 wrote:
Nobody in this thread (at the time of posting) likes Trump or wants to see him reelected.


Applause Applause Applause
towan52
Posted: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 9:25:01 AM
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IMCO, the office of POTUS should be respected insofar as the position exists for many valid purposes. However, any incumbent of that position has to earn personal respect by performance of responsibilities.
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