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I count religion but a childish toy, and hold there is no sin but ignorance. Options
Daemon
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I count religion but a childish toy, and hold there is no sin but ignorance.

Christopher Marlowe (1564-1593)
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Yes, toy and fairy-tales for adults, that's how I would describe religions.
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Quotation of the Day

I count religion but a childish toy, and hold there is no sin but ignorance.

Christopher Marlowe (1564-1593)
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Daemon wrote:
I count religion but a childish toy, and hold there is no sin but ignorance.

Christopher Marlowe (1564-1593)
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A point to ponder.
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Have faith and be comforted with the existence of God, or bathe in intellectual self-righteousness? No viable options or guided insight.
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Context from: THE JEW OF MALTA

This line comes from the Prologue, spoken by Machiavel, that is, the Florentine political philosopher Machiavelli, a symbol of unrestrained immorality in the Elizabethan period:

Page 1 (Prologue. 14–21)

Enter Machevill.

MACHEVILL.

Albeit the world think Machiavel is dead,
Yet was his soul but flown beyond the Alps;
And, now the Guise is dead, is come from France,
To view this land, and frolic with his friends.
To some perhaps my name is odious;
But such as love me guard me from their tongues,
And let them know that I am Machiavel,
And weigh not men, and therefore not mens words.
Admired I am of those that hate me most.
Though some speak openly against my books,
Yet will they read me and thereby attain
To Peter's chair; and when they cast me off,
Are poisoned by my climbing followers.
I count religion but a childish toy
And hold there is no sin but ignorance.

Birds of the air will tell of murders past?
I am ashamed to hear such fooleries.
Many will talk of title to a crown.
What right had Caesar to the empire?
Might first made kings, and laws were then most sure
When, like the Draco's, they were writ in blood.
Hence comes it that a strong built citadel
Commands much more than letters can import:
Which maxim had but Phalaris observed,
He'd never bellowed in a brazen bull,
Of great ones envy: o'the poor petty wights
Let me be envied and not pitied!
But whither am I bound? I come not, I,
To read a lecture here in Britanie,
But to present the tragedy of a Jew
Who smiles to see how full his bags are crammed,
Which money was not got without my means.
I crave but this. Grace him as he deserves,
And let him not be entertained the worse
Because he favours me.

Read more :https://genius.com/Christopher-marlowe-the-jew-of-malta-the-prologue-annotated
Mintaka
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When I discovered that Christianity is all based on mythology from Egypt, Persia and else where I was first shocked and then angry that I had been a follower of the Christian faith for 24 years! The Bible is considered by millions to be a book of truth. It is not. I'm glad that I had questions about my faith and began to research and find answers, no matter where that might lead. I found that the Bible is not a book of truth but about ancient people living in ancient times, having ancient beliefs. I know now what true freedom is! To be free from religious dogma has been the best thing to happen in my life! Christopher Marlowe saw through the sham. Here's a quote by Benedict Spinoza that I like: "True virtue is life under the direction of reason."
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Mr. Marlowe did not reach the age of thirty. Perhaps that somewhat explains such an impulsive statement. One is entitled to one's opinion on religion, but it's surprising that a writer of his reputation would express it so ineloquently. Also, ignorant is where we all start. If there is a sin about it, it is in not working to reduce one's ignorance. There is more than one sin, but if I were to choose one as the worst I would say it has to be murder.
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I count religion but a childish toy, and hold there is no sin but ignorance.


Idiot.
Bully_rus
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Daemon wrote:
I count religion but a childish toy, and hold there is no sin but ignorance.

Christopher Marlowe (1564-1593)


Yeah. Like justice or science, but why childish...
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There is an on-going effort today to eliminate religion as much as possible from the public arena. I think this is a foolish and futile effort. There have been religions for as long as there have been humans, and no doubt there will always be those who choose to believe. It seems to be a natural instinct within us to want to believe in something that, or someone who, is a higher power. That may be a result of our dependency on others from our infancy, or, from a believer’s point of view, sourced from a spirit/soul within us.

Regardless of the source, it has always been with us, and it looks as if it always will be. Therefore, seeking an end to it is a Sisyphean task. But not only is it an impossible task, but is probably rather foolish task as well, since a properly embraced religious belief can bring out the best in humans. Granted, we haven’t always permitted ourselves to do such, even when embracing religions based on love, but that doesn’t mean we should give up on trying.

The best religions encourage treatment of our fellow humans do be done with respect and consideration, asking us to treat one another as we would like to be treated. This forms the foundation of a moral code that contributes to the success and well-being of all in a society.

The best religions also permit others to choose not to believe if they so wish, not demanding obedience or encouraging either shunning or death for a desire to be different. The best religions also keep religion separate from ruling power, especially since power always corrupts. Even religions themselves become corrupt when permitted to have too much power, as history has shown us.

So any religion that seeks to punish, condemn, or is a threat to life and liberty of others is not a religion that we should embrace, or is worthy of being called a religion of any value. Such a religion violates the very foundational reason for a belief in a Being who is the source of all life. It doesn’t make sense to say God is great, powerful, and loving, and at the same time say such a God is happy with his children butchering one another over belief system details, but we do see that today. So the choice becomes much more clear for those who want to believe, who want to follow a religion and the Being at the center of that religion.

If we are going to have religions, and we are, then the only ones worth having are those that build up individuals and societies through respect and consideration, rather than hatred and killing. Any member of a religion that advocates for the latter should be found repulsive to all other members, and that should be loudly condemned by all the right-thinking people in that religion.

Alice M Toaster
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Mintaka: Not only is the Bible not a book of truth, the version that most people know was written by relatively educated people at a time when most people were illiterate.

I agree with Marlowe: the only sin is ignorance.
FounDit
Posted: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:44:05 AM

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Alice M Toaster wrote:
Mintaka: Not only is the Bible not a book of truth, the version that most people know was written by relatively educated people at a time when most people were illiterate.

I agree with Marlowe: the only sin is ignorance.


I disagree with both you and Marlowe. Ignorance, or being unaware of something, is not a sin. It cannot be. Sin is selfishness. In every case of "sin", the self is elevated over others, or by putting the self over some rule or given law. Only this can be rightly called "sin".
FROSTY X RIME
Posted: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:57:13 AM

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I agree with Alice and Mintaka: the Bible is a book of truth.
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