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Joe Kim
Posted: Monday, June 18, 2018 5:50:30 PM

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There is a game where you remove your hand from other's hand. (If there is a correct name, I don't need to know)

What would be the correct name for the game?
1. Let's play remove the hand.
2. Let's play remove your hand
3. Let's play hand remove
4. Let's play the remove the hand
5. Let's play the hand remove
6. Let's play the remove the hand game.
7. Let's play the hand remove game.

Pandion haliaetus
Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 12:11:39 AM

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Joe Kim wrote:
There is a game where you remove your hand from other's hand. (If there is a correct name, I don't need to know)

What would be the correct name for the game?
1. Let's play remove the hand.
2. Let's play remove your hand
3. Let's play hand remove
4. Let's play the remove the hand
5. Let's play the hand remove
6. Let's play the remove the hand game.
7. Let's play the hand remove game.



Regardless of its real name:

1.) Let's play "Remove your hand".

2.) Let's play the Remove your hand game.

3.) Let's play the game "Remove your hand".

4.) Let's play the game called Remove your hand.

However, any other suggestions/corrections are wanted, for for its my personal point of view.
palapaguy
Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:05:20 AM

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Joe Kim wrote:
There is a game where you remove your hand from other's hand. (If there is a correct name, I don't need to know)

What would be the correct name for the game?
1. Let's play remove the hand.
2. Let's play remove your hand
3. Let's play hand remove
4. Let's play the remove the hand
5. Let's play the hand remove
6. Let's play the remove the hand game.
7. Let's play the hand remove game.



You asked for the correct name that you don't need to know. (?)

My choice is: 2. Let's play remove your hand (as you said in your question).
Joe Kim
Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 5:36:23 PM

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Let's play remove your hand.

Then, why do you put "the" when you say the name of a certain excerise?
Let's do the plank.
Joe Kim
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 11:57:59 AM

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Does Someone know about this?
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 12:12:00 PM

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I'm not sure really what the confusion is - because I have had sixty years to learn this . . . Anxious

The name of the game is "remove your hand" - so the sentence is "Let's play 'remove your hand'."

The name of the exercise is "the plank" (something I had never heard of till yesterday).
So the sentence is "Let's do 'the plank'."

If you chose a different exercise (one which had a plural title) it would not have an article.
The name of the exercise is "push-ups". The sentence would be "Let's do 'push-ups'" or "Let's do some 'push-ups'."
Push-ups are so well-known now, that you probably would not use the inverted commas.
Joe Kim
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:14:34 PM

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Thanks Dragon.

I was thinking the name of plank is not "the plank" but just "plank" (this should be; I can't think of names with the unless it is from commercial logos). So people might choose: do the plank,
do planks, or
do some planks, or
do the planks.

And I guess this applies to push-ups as well that you might say "do the push-up(s)", isn't it so? (Even though, no one uses the singular form)

So is for plank on elbows. So you might say " do the plank on elbows"

So, I guess my idea was that you put an determinator with names of excerise in singular or plural form. But why not with names of games? (Pandion apparently thinks "the"is ok.)

If you think this idea is wrong, why "the plank"? I am sure the name is not "the plank".
Romany
Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2018 8:55:10 AM
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Like Drago, I'd never heard of the game "Plank". But from all I've seen now, you're right: it's just called "Plank" and doesn't take an article. And neither do "push-ups".
Joe Kim
Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:02:04 PM

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This is an excerpt from my basic or gerund posting:

The sentences would be (normally) something like:
"OK, let's do the one-arm-lift."
"Next, we should do body-twists."


Why the name of the excerise called one-arm-lift is followed by "the"?

And the post right just above says plank would be called without the, but I see so many excerise names used with "the" on the internet like this: Let's do the plank; the plank needs to be excerised regularly.

palapaguy
Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:18:00 PM

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I don't see why this would be confusing. These alternatives both work:

"OK, let's do the one-arm-lift." Implies a type of exercise.
"OK, let's do one-arm-lifts." Implies a series of specific movements.
Joe Kim
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 12:25:41 PM

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palapaguy wrote:
I don't see why this would be confusing. These alternatives both work:

"OK, let's do the one-arm-lift." Implies a type of exercise.
"OK, let's do one-arm-lifts." Implies a series of specific movements.


I don't understand how "the" is creating this distinction.
palapaguy
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 2:29:15 PM

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Joe Kim wrote:
palapaguy wrote:
I don't see why this would be confusing. These alternatives both work:

"OK, let's do the one-arm-lift." Implies a type of exercise.
"OK, let's do one-arm-lifts." Implies a series of specific movements.


I don't understand how "the" is creating this distinction.


But that's not what is happening. The word "the" isn't creating anything. It's merely a tool expressing what the speaker wishes to convey.

In the first sentence the speaker is using "one-arm-lift" as a noun and correctly preceding it with an article.

In the second sentence the speaker is using "one-arm-lifts" as an action word with no adverb, and it requires no article. Alternatively the speaker could use "the" in front of "one-arm-lift" but that would change the meaning to a specific noun-like thing called "one-arm-lift" that the speaker had in mind.

All this has to do with what the speaker is trying to express, not to allow words to determine the speaker's meaning.
Joe Kim
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 3:13:16 PM

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Then how about this writing:
used in competitive bidding, and does not give level of
control in closed spec.
• Describe characteristics, materials, finishes, workmanship, and fabrication of
products and give list of comparable manufactures.

There are at least two missing articles in this writing. If the author is correct, do I have to interpret "list" as non countable? Or a name that doesn't go with "the"?
palapaguy
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 3:42:31 PM

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That appears to have come from a headline. Headlines often drop articles and can't be considered a "writing" for grammar analysis purposes. If you had given the context it might have been clearer.
Joe Kim
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 4:09:16 PM

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Not from a headline. No headline would be this long. It is content.
palapaguy
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:47:39 PM

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Joe Kim wrote:
Not from a headline. No headline would be this long. It is content.


This link describes headline style:

englishlessonsbrighton.co.uk/8-grammar-rules-writing-newspaper-headlines/

Audiendus
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:53:45 PM
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Joe Kim wrote:
• Describe characteristics, materials, finishes, workmanship, and fabrication of
products and give list of comparable manufactures.


This is the kind of abbreviated style often found in sets of instructions, e.g:

Give name, address and date of birth of applicant.
Insert thin end in slot.
Break glass near edge.
Press button for help.

In normal writing, "the" would be used:

Give the name, address and date of birth of the applicant.
Insert the thin end in the slot.
Break the glass near the edge.
Press the button for help.
palapaguy
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 10:59:44 PM

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Yes, "abbreviated style" is correct in this case, not "headline."
Joe Kim
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 11:35:11 PM

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Thanks.

Why abbreviated style is correct? Then why don't I use this style all the time, since it is accepted and understood by all-- no articles at all?
palapaguy
Posted: Friday, June 22, 2018 11:50:49 PM

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Joe Kim wrote:
Thanks.

Why abbreviated style is correct? Then why don't I use this style all the time, since it is accepted and understood by all-- no articles at all?


Correction: Why is abbreviated style correct?
Audiendus
Posted: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:40:31 AM
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Joe Kim wrote:
Why abbreviated style is correct? Then why don't I use this style all the time, since it is accepted and understood by all-- no articles at all?

In a set of instructions, it is obvious that the nouns have a specific reference, so we don't need to show this by the definite article 'the'. "Press button" clearly refers to this button, not any other button. In other contexts, however, this may not be obvious, so we need the definite article to indicate a specific reference. "I pressed button" would be ambiguous as to whether there was only one button (the button) or several (in which case the one I pressed would be a button).
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