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It is not right to glory in the slain.

Homer (900 BC-800 BC)
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Yeah. Why then it's still the case?
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There is neither glory nor winners in wars - everybody loses.
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Someone should tell Trump that.
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Context from:THE ODYSSEY

BOOK 22

(Odysseus:) 'Keep your joy in your heart, old dame; stop, do not raise up the cry. It is not piety to glory so over slain men. These were destroyed by the doom of the gods and their own hard actions […].' (22.411-413)

Comment:(Piety isn't just about sacrificing to the gods—it's also about how you treat your fellow men. It's not quite "do unto others," but Odysseus is reminding the overly enthusiastic woman that these men are dead because the gods wanted it to be that way. Making a fuss about it just isn't respectful.)


Read more: https://www.shmoop.com/odyssey/book-xxii-quotes.html

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Homer
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Homer, principal figure of ancient Greek literature; the first European poet.
Works, Life, and Legends

Two epic poems are attributed to Homer, the Iliad and the Odyssey. They are composed in a literary type of Greek, Ionic in basis with Aeolic admixtures. Ranked among the great works of Western literature, these two poems together constitute the prototype for all subsequent Western epic poetry.

The "Homeric question" was the great dispute of scholarship in the 19th cent. Scholars tried to analyze the two works by various tests, usually to show that they were strung together from older narrative poems. Recent evidence strongly suggests that the Iliad is the work of a single poet. Modern scholars are generally agreed that there was a poet named Homer who lived before 700 B.C., probably in Asia Minor, and that the Iliad and the Odyssey are each the product of one poet's work, developed out of older legendary matter. Some assign the Odyssey to a poet who lived slightly after the author of the Iliad.

Legends about Homer were numerous in ancient times. He was said to be blind. His birthplace has always been disputed, but Chios or Smyrna seem most likely. The study of Homer was required of all Greek students in antiquity, and his heroes were worshiped in many parts of Greece. The Iliad and the Odyssey are composed in dactylic hexameter and are of nearly the same length. The Homeric Hymns

were falsely attributed to Homer.
The Iliad

Divided into 24 books, the Iliad tells of the wrath of Achilles

and its tragic consequences, an episode in the Trojan War

. The action is in several sections. Achilles quarrels with Agamemnon over possession of the captive woman Briseis, and Achilles retires from the war to sulk in his tent. The Greek position gradually weakens until Agamemnon

offers amendment to Achilles (Books I–IX). Book X tells of an expedition by Odysseus and Diomedes leading to Greek reverses in the war. Thereupon Patroclus, Achilles' friend, is inspired to go into battle wearing Achilles' armor. He is killed by Hector

(Books XI–XVII).

Book XVIII tells of the visit of Thetis, mother of Achilles, to comfort her grieving son and of the forging of new armor by Hephaestus for Achilles. Achilles then determines to avenge his friend, kills Hector, buries Patroclus, and finally, at the entreaty of Priam, gives Hector's body to the Trojan hero's aged father (Books XIX–XXIV). The Iliad is a highly unified work, splendid in its dramatic action. Written in a simple yet lofty style, it contains many perceptive characterizations that make exalted personages like Hector and Achilles believable as human beings.
The Odyssey

The Odyssey is written in 24 books and begins nearly ten years after the fall of Troy. In the first part, Telemachus, Odysseus' son, visits Nestor

at Pylos and Menelaus

at Sparta, seeking news of his absent father. He tells them of the troubles of his mother, Penelope, who is beset by mercenary suitors. Menelaus informs him that his father is with the nymph Calypso (Books I–IV). The scene then shifts to Mt. Olympus with an account of Zeus' order to Calypso to release Odysseus, who then builds a raft and sails to Phaeacia. There he is entertained by King Alcinoüs and his daughter Nausicaä; he relates to them the story of his wanderings in which he has encountered Polyphemus, Aeolus, Circe, Scylla and Charybdis, the Sirens, the Laestrygones, and the lotus-eaters (Books V–XII).

Dramatic tension mounts with the return of Odysseus and Telemachus to Ithaca; together they plan and execute the death of the suitors. Afterward Odysseus makes himself known to his wife and his father, with whose aid he repulses the suitors' angry kinsmen. Athena intervenes, peace is restored, and Odysseus once again rules his country (Books XIII–XXIV). The atmosphere of adventure and fate in the Odyssey contrasts with the heavier tone and tragic grandeur of the Iliad.
Bibliography

Among the many notable translations of the Iliad and the Odyssey are the prose translations by A. Lang et al., the mid-20th-century poetic translations by R. Lattimore, and the late 20th-century translations by R. Fagles and S. Lombardo. See C. H. Whitman, Homer and the Heroic Tradition (1958, repr. 1965); M. Parry, The Making of Homeric Verse, ed. by A. Parry (1971); C. M. Bowra, Homer (1930, repr. 1973); A. J. B. Wace and F. H. Stubbings, ed., A Companion to Homer (1962, repr. 1974); C. R. Beye, The Iliad, the Odyssey and the Epic Tradition (1966, repr. 1976); G. S. Kirk, The Songs of Homer (1962; repr. 1977); A. B. Lord, The Singer of Tales (1960, repr. 1978); W. A. Camps, An Introduction to Homer (1980); H. W. Clarke, Homer's Readers (1981); M. W. Edwards, Homer (1987); K. C. King, ed., Homer (1994); A. Nicolson, Why Homer Matters (2014).
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The following article is from The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1979). It might be outdated or ideologically biased.
Homer

legendary epic poet of ancient Greece. In ancient sources the historical persona of a blind, wandering singer is intertwined with fantasies, which testifies to the lack of reliable information concerning Homer as an individual. According to ancient tradition, “seven cities” (Smyrna, Chios, Colophon, Salamis, Rhodes, Argos, and Athens) competed for the honor of being called Homer’s birthplace. Homer lived sometime between the 12th and the seventh centuries B.C., according to various determinations. The name Homer itself was frequently interpreted in antiquity and in modern times as the common noun for “hostage” or “blind man.”

Homer was considered to be the author of a large part of the repertory of the

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Someone should tell Trump that.


Yup, he glorified how great is the F-35 stealth Fighter jets in his first official trip in a Hurricane-devastated Puerto Rico.
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Daemon wrote:
It is not right to glory in the slain.

Homer (900 BC-800 BC)


It is inglorious to glory in the slain, to glorify the slaying, to be a glorified celebrant of war.
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Boy with new toy.

Edwin Siyabonga Mnguni wrote:
philips daughter wrote:
Someone should tell Trump that.


Yup, he glorified how great is the F-35 stealth Fighter jets in his first official trip in a Hurricane-devastated Puerto Rico.
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The King James Bible says something along the lines of 'no greater love hath one man then to lay down his life for his friends'

Similar saying are said on any Memorial Days, meaning a soldier laying down his life for his mates, families or country.

Its not glorying in the slain but remembering their sacrifice.
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Daemon wrote:
It is not right to glory in the slain.

Homer (900 BC-800 BC)


Just so that we understand the quote, see the context:"(Odysseus:) 'Keep your joy in your heart, old dame; stop, do not raise up the cry. It is not piety to glory so over slain men." The slain men here are of the enemy.
This was the admonishment to Eurycleia who rejoiced in the killing of the impudent suitors upon Odysseus' return.

Glory, as a verb: "take great pride or pleasure in".
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