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Daemon
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By indignities men come to dignities.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
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By indignities men come to dignities.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
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I think what he means to say is, you've got to make the mistakes to know they are mistakes to find out what you are supposed to do in order to do something right.
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ericloathe2 wrote:
I think what he means to say is, you've got to make the mistakes to know they are mistakes to find out what you are supposed to do in order to do something right.


I beg to differ.
I think he meant that people come to positions of power by committing acts of corruption.
His observations were probably based on his own flaws: in 1621 he pleaded guilty to a bribery charge.
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I believe he meant something else entirely... By working under distressing positions one learns values to be carried along in life, which will eventually help them in whatever (thus the "comes the dignity").
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Maybe he meant that making a fool of oneself can lead to becoming more mature. Too late to ask. Perhaps we need to now more about where he wrote this.
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Context from : Francis Bacon. (1561–1626). Essays, Civil and Moral.
The Harvard Classics. 1909–14.

XI

Of Great Place



MEN in great place are thrice servants: servants of the sovereign or state; servants of fame; and servants of business. So as they have no freedom; neither in their persons, nor in their actions, nor in their times. It is a strange desire, to seek power and to lose liberty: or to seek power over others and to lose power over a man’s self. The rising unto place is laborious; and by pains men come to greater pains; and it is sometimes base; and by indignities men come to dignities. The standing is slippery, and the regress is either a downfall, or at least an eclipse, which is a melancholy thing. Cum non sis qui fueris, non esse cur velis vivere [When a man feels that he is no longer what he was, he has no reason to live longer]. Nay, retire men cannot when they would, neither will they when it were reason; but are impatient of privateness, even in age and sickness, which require the shadow; like old townsmen, that will be still sitting at their street door, though thereby they offer age to scorn. Certainly great persons had need to borrow other men’s opinions, to think themselves happy; for if they judge by their own feeling, they cannot find it; but if they think with themselves what other men think of them, and that other men would fain be as they are, then they are happy as it were by report; when perhaps they find the contrary within. For they are the first that find their own griefs, though they be the last that find their own faults. Certainly men in great fortunes are strangers to themselves, and while they are in the puzzle of business they have no time to tend their health either of body or mind.


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Daemon wrote:
By indignities men come to dignities.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)


Sometimes they come, sometimes they don't. But does it worth it?
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Daemon wrote:
By indignities men come to dignities.

Francis Bacon (1561-1626)


Quotation comes from Bacon's Essays, # XI "Of Great Place". He wasted no time to get to the essence:

"MEN in great place are thrice servants: servants of the sovereign or state; servants of fame; and servants of business. So as they have no freedom; neither in their persons, nor in their actions, nor in their times. It is a strange desire, to seek power and to lose liberty: or to seek power over others and to lose power over a man’s self. The rising unto place is laborious; and by pains men come to greater pains; and it is sometimes base; and by indignities men come to dignities. The standing is slippery, and the regress is either a downfall, or at least an eclipse, which is a melancholy thing."

In Italics is the immediate context in the larger excerpt of the very first paragraph of the essay.
We can clearly see that Bacon laments the strange desire, to seek power and to lose liberty, of those who
pursue the "great places". Coming to dignities, by way of suffering indignities.

Bacon did not mean anything of the sort found, if we were so inclined, in juxtaposing "discreditable or corrupt"
with "creditable or honest service". That he left up to our contemporaries who seek power.
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The same essay contains this aphorism to further illustrate Bacon's meaning: "All rising to Great Place is by a Winding Staire"
I have just remembered that Daphne du Maurier titled her popular biography "The Winding Stair, Francis Bacon",
and surely, that is what Dame Daphne had used to paraphrase His Rise and Fall.
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You have to go through hell to get to Heaven.
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No. You don't have to aim to bad things. Bad things do happen, though. One might be a victim. No martyr. Don't search for bad things.
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