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Daemon
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:00:00 AM
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Accursed be he that first invented war.

Christopher Marlowe (1564-1593)
Chen
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Then let human nature be accursed.
thar
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:40:57 AM

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Maybe 'war' is better than the alternative!
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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 5:01:33 AM

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Survival of the fittest is the law of nature.


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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 5:15:51 AM
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Daemon wrote:
Accursed be he that first invented war. Christopher Marlowe (1564-1593)



The above quote comes from — Tamburlaine the Great, Part I. Act II. Scene iv.
By Christopher Marlowe





SCENE IV.
Enter MYCETES with his crown in his hand.

MYCETES. Accurs'd be he that first invented war!
They knew not, ah, they knew not, simple men,
How those were hit by pelting cannon-shot
Stand staggering like a quivering aspen-leaf
Fearing the force of Boreas' boisterous blasts!
In what a lamentable case were I,
If nature had not given me wisdom's lore!
For kings are clouts that every man shoots at,
Our crown the pin that thousands seek to cleave:
Therefore in policy I think it good
To hide it close; a goodly stratagem,
And far from any man that is a fool:
So shall not I be known; or if I be,
They cannot take away my crown from me.
Here will I hide it in this simple hole.



Why does mankind need war? Why do we celebrate the conquering of what is not ours to begin with? There should be no war. This is just my humble opinion.


peace out, >^,,^<
Joseph Glantz
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:24:44 AM
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So what's Christopher Marlowe's most famous writing?
thar
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:24:30 AM

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Joseph Glantz wrote:
So what's Christopher Marlowe's most famous writing?


the works erroneously attributed to Shakespeare!!Dancing
Hupomone
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:33:39 AM
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War has existed for as long as people have been around. Essentially, anyone who takes what isn't theirs to have is an inventor of war...But the accursed one would be the one who corrupted people - which, some say, is a fallen angel...Oddly enough, war didn't originate on Earth. The Bible (Rev 12) says there was "war in heaven..." And, yep, that inventor is, indeed, accursed.
KAMRAMNA
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:54:50 AM
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Greetings, that quote sounds wonderful but its not. No one person invented war. Conflict of one kind or another is in our nature. On this plane of existance the hoursemen are always with us ... there is no escape, not even death. For if a proper (not perfect) life is not lived ... sooner or later your soul lives again on a similar plane ... ya gotta be good (not perfect) to move up.
thar
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:41:30 AM

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I am sure I remember reading/watching something about a tribe that had no concept of war. I cannot remember that source.

I do remember a tribe in the Sudan area somewhere, where all the fights and disputes between clans were settled with show fights. Young men of the tribe fought with sticks and spears, no-one got hurt, and the loser conceded the dispute, and they would never have thought anyone would deliberately attack a village, or kill anyone. It never happened in their culture.

Of course, recently, they have got automatic rifles, and people impinging on their traditional lands do not follow their nice rules, so the show fights with spears and sticks have suddenly got a little more lethal...
floyd
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:42:00 AM
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One of my neighbors uses a quote from Hemingway as part of her email signature: "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime."

War a crime involving untold murders upon murders. Is that ever "justified"? Can we slough it off as "the law of nature" or "human nature"? My answer is "Never!"

Pacifism is a possible answer to war, but has never seemed wholly satisfactory. Love, or loving-kindness, seems to be a much better commitment.

I have thought for years that we can do one thing that will offset the "invention" of war and let humans outgrow the primal viciousness of war: We can give the first priority to once-and-for-all integrating women into the power and governance of the US and the world.

To me that means opening our society on whatever terms work for individual women, but being relentless in removing the barriers.

So, I say, "Accurs'd be HE that first invented war!". And accurs'd be HE that allows it to continue! And then, I talk to my spirited, competent and loving daughter and granddaughters, and then I smile . . .


jcbarros
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:28:22 PM

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He who invented man invented war.
floyd
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:32:38 PM
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jc, I suppose that he who "invented" war and "invented" "man", was a "he". Maybe we ought to fix our focus and get a better picture of God. Angel

We probably need a new personal pronoun in English -- "it" doesn't work for a person that might be either female or male, and "he/or/she" or "she/or/he" is way too awkward. Any ideas?

To put it another way, why did God create our patriarchal world? Or, was it our patriarchal world that chose Him?

That's it for today, friends -- I'm in way over my head!

Floyd

excaelis
Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:14:40 PM

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Joseph Glantz wrote:
So what's Christopher Marlowe's most famous writing?


I guess Dr.Faustus, The Jew of Malta, Tamburlaine The Great, Hero And Leander and Edward II would comprise the Greatest Hits. And, of course, Shakespeare.
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