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TazDvl
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:18:37 PM

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If you saw these words on a t-shirt,"Eeny, meeny, miny, moe" would you think it implies racism? Eh?
Gary98
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No.

"Eeny, meeny, miny, moe"—which can be spelled a number of ways—is a children's counting rhyme, used to select a person in games such as tag, per Wiki.
FounDit
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:02:33 PM

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No.

If a person is racist, it's not because of a nursery rhyme. It's a result of what they were taught, and believe, about other people.


Gary98
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:27:08 PM

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Walking Dead is a make-believe. If it make our nation a bit truculent, that ship has left port long time ago.
NKM
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:29:57 PM

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At least in some places it used to sound racist, according to who or what was to be caught "by the toe."

I still feel a twinge of that, even though the word was changed (by most people) to "tiger" a long time ago.

Gary98
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:48:44 PM

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NKM, thanks for the enlightening.

I found this link which explained why some people think it is racist.
Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:21:22 PM

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Gary98 wrote:
I found this link which explained why some people think it is racist.

Wonder if you have read the Wikipedia article that you quoted in your other post. It has this old racist version.
Gary98
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:36:22 PM

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Харбин Хэйлунцзян 1 wrote:
Gary98 wrote:
I found this link which explained why some people think it is racist.

Wonder if you have read the Wikipedia article that you quoted in your other post. It has this old racist version.


No. I finished first half and assumed all is well. Sorry.
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:47:00 PM

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When combined with the image of a bloody baseball bat covered in barbed wire, particularly if you were unfamiliar with the American TV show "The Walking Dead" possibly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39051079/backlash-after-primark-pulls-fantastically-offensive-walking-dead-t-shirt

A shop in the UK has just pulled its stock of such a design.
woodye85741
Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:04:14 PM

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Racist is calling a Brazil nut - a "Negro Toe"Not talking - or a " Ni**er Toe ". Definitely RACIST ! Shame on you
Lipwer
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:26:03 AM

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I would not call it racist, unless the attempt was to suggest the racist term that used to follow it. But in any case, it is provocative. I wouldn't wear that t-shirt. Why go there?
TheParser
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 8:03:46 AM
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NOT A TEACHER

I am a very old man.

I have lived every minute here in the States.

I know what actual racism is. (Not the politically correct kind.)

So you can take my word to the bank.

YES, that phrase is "racist."

Do not say it.

Do not wear a T-shirt that says it.

If you do, the social and physical consequences will be most UNpleasant!
Romany
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 8:22:24 AM
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It was my own son, - aged 31 - who brought the article about the English shop that had pulled the t.shirts. He was genuinely flummoxed.
"Wotha? How on earth is that racist?" he asked. As did a few of the mums in my building.

The thing is that, until they asked me about it, none of them had any idea that the word once used in that nursery room had been changed from the original. The mums all learnt the 'tiger' version, as their children too are learning it.

The t.shirt market is hugely aimed at an under u40 demographic - and none of them had ever heard the 'old' version. As they themselves remarked: "Well we didn't know about it at all until the t.shirts were banned. If they had just let them go on the market, no-one would have been any the wiser!"

So I don't think the tees themselves were racist (the team that designed and made them probably had no idea themselves). It was the BANNING of them that brought a racist undertone to them.

A curious event.
almo 1
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:02:49 AM
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Sarrriesfan wrote:
When combined with the image of a bloody baseball bat covered in barbed wire, particularly if you were unfamiliar with the American TV show "The Walking Dead" possibly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39051079/backlash-after-primark-pulls-fantastically-offensive-walking-dead-t-shirt

A shop in the UK has just pulled its stock of such a design.








If you watched the episode "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be", you wouldn't want to wear the T-shirt.



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FounDit
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:13:11 PM

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The racism and the ban were generated by someone who was deliberately looking for something to find racist. Pitiful...and stupid, in my opinion. Such people should be completely ignored.
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 1:29:55 PM

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almo 1 wrote:
Sarrriesfan wrote:
When combined with the image of a bloody baseball bat covered in barbed wire, particularly if you were unfamiliar with the American TV show "The Walking Dead" possibly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39051079/backlash-after-primark-pulls-fantastically-offensive-walking-dead-t-shirt

A shop in the UK has just pulled its stock of such a design.








If you watched the episode "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be", you wouldn't want to wear the T]

Almo 1 I do not watch the show myself, it is not my cup of tea, though I understand that even for that show it was a shocking episode.
TazDvl
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 3:28:24 PM

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@ Foundit well said! Applause
Sarrriesfan
Posted: Friday, February 24, 2017 3:29:57 PM

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FounDit wrote:
The racism and the ban were generated by someone who was deliberately looking for something to find racist. Pitiful...and stupid, in my opinion. Such people should be completely ignored.


There was no actual ban, the retailer took a commercial decision to remove the shirt from sale.
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Saturday, February 25, 2017 5:40:39 AM

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I don't exactly find it racist - as has been said, 'eeny, meeny, miney, mo' has been used for decades with several different endings, and is still used as a 'counting game' with no racial connotation.

However, I think the T-shirt is awful anyway, and TV shows which are pure violence for the sake of violence have no place in a civilised society (if the descriptions of that show are correct).

I can take blood and gore when it's necessary to the message (Hacksaw Ridge looks bloody, but good), but just for its own sake - no.

Edited to add - PS - I agree with Romany and FounDit (Wow, both at the same time Whistle ) and the others who feel the "PC Guardians" are overdoing it.
Hope123
Posted: Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:35:34 AM

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I agree with everybody who said it is not racist but the company did well to pull it if it is connected in any way to violence for violence sake, as Drago mentioned. All retailers have to look at their bottom line and if it is controversial, then they do what is best for their company.

Maybe it was the older folk who remembered the first version who made it controversial, although they also know it was changed for that reason.

As Drago says, it is an awful looking tee anyhow.
tunaafi
Posted: Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:29:50 PM

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TheParser wrote:
So you can take my word to the bank.


I wouldn't dream of it.

YES, that phrase is "racist." [/quote]

If you are referring to eeny, meeny, miny, mo (just one of several spellings), it is not at all racist in British English. From what others in this thread have said, it does not appear racist to quite a few North Americans, either.
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