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Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 10:48:39 AM

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I didn't want to derail any other threads with this, but it seems like a topic that can be a discussion in itself. I posted a link to a site called the Political Compass http://politicalcompass.org/ that I found more than 10 years ago. The site has been around since 2001 and contains some very interesting information, quotes and is, what I feel, a good foundation to start from if you are curious about political labels, progressive or conservative, authoritarian or libertarian, etc.

One major caveat is that I do not consider the information on that site to be the be all, end all of political tests or information. I've taken it at several times over the past 10 years and I have stayed in the same area of the graph, but as with all tests of this nature, your mileage may vary. It will depend on your present mood, your present health and of course it will depend on what is going on around you that you are paying attention to.

One thing about this particular site is the use of quotes to try to break people's preconceptions of political, religious and social leaders. I find them interesting but am not sure of the actual value.

I've taken many other tests of this sort out of a morbid curiosity, and they tend to be very vague and easy to tweak so I can get the result I want to get. However, I'm always looking for ways to communicate with others that the gradeschool labels (liberal, conservative) don't actually have any real meaning, and that in order to get a better idea of where people are coming from in a discussion or debate, you need more and better information.

I'm very curious to know of any (free or very inexpensive) tests out there that others might know of that they think are valuable.
Hope123
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:38:01 AM

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Progpen, I think this is the one we did before, but I did it again anyhow. I haven't changed much. I don't know of any other tests and haven't looked.

Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03
Bedells
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:48:36 AM

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I'm not a person inclined to politics, but just for curiosity I took the quiz with this results:

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49


Is that bad or good?
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:53:35 AM

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Bedells wrote:
I'm not a person inclined to politics, but just for curiosity I took the quiz with this results:

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49


Is that bad or good?


Hi Bedells. There is no pass/fail here, just gives you some information about where you and others reside along the two axis of the graph.
Bedells
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:40:13 PM

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Just a question. From an impartial point of view, what would be the best political position someone should have? Or is it just that everyone defends their own political ideas and there is no intermedial point to stand?

Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:51:09 PM

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That's a valid and complex question. And you will most likely get as many different answers to that as there are people on this forum.

In my opinion (IMNSHO), people are not supposed to all have the same political position, but they are supposed to work together to fix issues and move their society forward. That means that people who cannot work with others or can't compromise are not a part of any solution.
Romany
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 1:14:36 PM
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No tests: but was interested on what turned up in my Newsfeed today @

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/29/why-are-there-suddenly-millions-of-socialists-in-america

From the posts I've read here on TFD I would never have guessed this: we are always being told that "most" or "many" Americans find socialism anathema and that it is un-American. Perhaps the "mosts" and "manys" refer to " most of the people I know" - in one small sector of one small place in one small part of America? Or to a certain age-demographic?

Reading the above removed a lot of uncertainty and confusion from my mind - this was what experience had suggested to me; yet it's also vehemently denied on TFD. OK - I've never been to the USA, but reading this - and the implications for the next American president, (And also for the current one.)ties in more with the reality of the current situation.

(Though it shouldn't be necessary: I would like to issue a notification that I am NOT pointing fingers: it's just that the America that is often represented here on the forum, seems to be quite a different place to the dynamic, modern world the rest of us view through the lens of movies, documentaries, auto-biographies, blogs, close American friends, American colleagues or house-mates? The dichotomy has always baffled me.)
boney_friend
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 1:21:50 PM
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Mercy me! I came out
-6.25 economic L/R
-4.82 social libertarian

Wonder how I got myself so much more off base than others.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 1:32:17 PM

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I don't see it as being off base. I think it shows that we have people on this forum who are all over the map.
Sadie S.
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 4:21:24 PM
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Romany wrote:

No tests: but was interested on what turned up in my Newsfeed today @

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/29/why-are-there-suddenly-millions-of-socialists-in-america

From the posts I've read here on TFD I would never have guessed this: we are always being told that "most" or "many" Americans find socialism anathema and that it is un-American. Perhaps the "mosts" and "manys" refer to " most of the people I know" - in one small sector of one small place in one small part of America? Or to a certain age-demographic?

Reading the above removed a lot of uncertainty and confusion from my mind - this was what experience had suggested to me; yet it's also vehemently denied on TFD. OK - I've never been to the USA, but reading this - and the implications for the next American president, (And also for the current one.)ties in more with the reality of the current situation.

(Though it shouldn't be necessary: I would like to issue a notification that I am NOT pointing fingers: it's just that the America that is often represented here on the forum, seems to be quite a different place to the dynamic, modern world the rest of us view through the lens of movies, documentaries, auto-biographies, blogs, close American friends, American colleagues or house-mates? The dichotomy has always baffled me.)


Thanks for posting that link! I think the cause of your confusion might be that there's a real dichotomy that exists here. Also, if you ask Americans of a certain age what they think of socialism, they'll tell you it's bad, but if you talk about positions, such as everyone should have access to good health care and the wealthy should carry their fair share, they'll agree. We do have a very loud minority, though!

Economic Left/Right: -7.83 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82
Listening . . .
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 4:30:50 PM
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Thank you for posting! Very interesting! I had seen posters with their results many times and wondered what "test" they had taken!

My results: Economic Left/Right: 0.63, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 4:56:36 PM

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Some of the more valuable data I get from the site is looking at where others (politicians, religious and social leaders) show up on the chart.

I've also been comparing the charts for the political parties of different countries like
http://politicalcompass.org/germany2013
http://politicalcompass.org/ireland2011
and
http://politicalcompass.org/uselection2012

This kind of information is extremely valuable in discussions, possibly having the most value for those outside the US when talking to those in the US.
albion
Posted: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 12:37:17 AM

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American schools connected socialism with communism during the cold war. It makes us recall drills we had of what to do if we were under attack. So we may have "knee jerk" reactions rather than thoughtful discourse of alternatives to US democracy.
Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:15:19 AM

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The one thing that struck me immediately is how off (incorrect) US labels are. Our Democratic candidates historically have been tightly grouped with the traditional Republican candidates. And yet, the media goes wild about the "liberal" Democrats even though they tended to track together with the traditional Republicans.

Nowadays that has all gone out the window and I think future graphs will show that the Democratic party has taken the place of the traditional Republicans and the new republicans have moved further into the corner (extreme).
Drag0nspeaker
Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:48:53 AM

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I haven't taken this test newly, but a few weeks ago, I came out at about -4.5 (left) -4.0 (libertarian), which is probably more 'left' than I expected, but not too far off.

Hi albion - you brought up something which is one of my 'pet subjects'!

You speak of socialism as 'an alternative to democracy' - this makes my brain spin!

One is a political system.
Democracy is one of the several different possible ways of choosing a government.
(You could have the oldest people in the country, the richest, the ones with the biggest army and so on - gerontocracy, plutocracy, dictatorship etc).
Democracy is simply "government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."

The other is an economic theory and structure.
Socialism is "an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively (usually through the state). It is not a political election system. It is even possible to have the economy run by one set of elected bankers, and the politics run by a democratically chosen government or a dictator or whatever government you like.

You could have a socialist economic system run by elders (a socialist gerontocracy).
You could (very unlikely) have a dictator who runs the economy as a socialism. It would not be simple to organise that!

The simplest and most common combination is a democratic government and a socialist economy.

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The systems I see in force in the USA right now (from the data I get on this forum, in the news and other media - so it may be wrong, but I don't think it's far off) is something like a capitalist economy (designed to profit those who already have capital), combined with a pseudo-democratic plutocracy.
There are elections, but the people to be elected are chosen by a monied class, made up of rich families and industrial combines.

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I don't see a fully socialist economy working out - they tend to drift into a bureaucracy which becomes corrupt.

I don't want to see a working capitalism (with the whole economy run to produce further profit for the 1% or 10% who own the capital).

A good free-trade system, but with VITAL NECESSITIES (but no more) provided by the government for all on a socialistic basis, seems to be to be best.
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:24:26 PM
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Interesting, but we don’t all go along tram lines. I have never voted. I am by no means a right winger or a Tory, and certainly not a socialist or left winger. Yet I called our last general election right. I was of the opinion that for the sake of the economy it would be a good thing if the Tories got elected. However I did not feel strongly enough about the matter to vote. I would term myself of an unpredictable mind when it comes to politics. I feel that affixing a party label to oneself will in the end make one a liar or deceiver at some point as one struggles against the tide to follow a proscribed line.
As far as my political views go I would say that I am in a state of flux.. and glad to be so. It gives me freedom to think objectively.


tunaafi
Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:50:00 PM

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ithink140 wrote:
I feel that affixing a party label to oneself will in the end make one a liar or deceiver at some point as one struggles against the tide to follow a proscribed line.


This is where Drag0's distinction between political labels and economic labels is useful. I think of myself as a socialist, but that does not mean that I always support the Labour party.
TL Hobs
Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:50:34 PM
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progpen wrote:
I'm very curious to know of any (free or very inexpensive) tests out there that others might know of that they think are valuable.


You might try On The Issues. It is similar to the Political Compass, but rates the US politicians based on their voting record plus answers they give to a questionnaire.



Blaidd-Drwg
Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:09:11 PM

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Thank you TL Hobs, I've not seen that one.
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